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From: Sasson Margaliot <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] More MidEast I2*
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 23:10:34 +0300
References: <007a01ca28e1$4c59b2e0$6400a8c0@Ken1>
In-Reply-To: <007a01ca28e1$4c59b2e0$6400a8c0@Ken1>


Ken

Notice my identification of I2 with (ancient) historical "Aram" - in a
posting some six months ago:

" I2 Aram (from Armenia, Georgia and Turkey) "
:

Adding Turkey and Jordan to the I2* list strengthen hypothesis about Middle
East origin of I2

Sasson




On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Ken Nordtvedt <>wrote:

> Those of you in I2* haplogroup please consider extending your haplotypes to
> 67 markers. Many are quite short.
>
> It seems it will be awhile before we have any help from snps. One person
> from I2* did the walk the y and no new snps were found.
>
> Yesterday I found two additional solid MidEast I2* haplotypes --- albeit
> limited in number of STR markers.
>
> This brings represented countries to: Iran, Georgia, Armenia, Turkey,
> Jordan. And as well we have Mediterranean examples from Greece to Iberia;
> eastern Europe, as well as western Europe. Only Scandinavia is very weak in
> representation. There is a strong Jewish cluster. Are most all I2*
> ultimately connected with various diasporas of the Jews? I don't know, but
> it is a possibility. Evidence in the negative is that variance ages for
> some clades of I2* look older than Jewish history.
>
> One way or the other I2* seems central to the earliest post-LGM era of
> haplogroup I. I hope all in this haplogroup will consider adding more STR
> data to their haplotypes if they are presently minimal haplotypes.
>
> Ken
>
> Note: I use I2* in the up-to-date tree sense of the label. A lot of
> people are found in databases with out-dated I2* classifications which today
> would have different, more downstream labels. An I2* is negative
> (ancestral) for M253, for P37, for M223, and is not in I2b2 as well.
>
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