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From: "Roberta Estes" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] 23andMe and Proving Native Ancestry
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:22:15 -0400
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How do I find the discussion there David? I've looked at current posts and
I can't find the one that seems to apply.

Roberta

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Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 3:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [DNA] 23andMe and Proving Native Ancestry

Roberta,

This whole matter is being discussed at dna-forums by individuals
knowledgeable about the subject. The content is such that I will probably
print all of the relevant postings to that thread - "proto - Monglol C3-clan
invaders ........

David K. Faux.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Roberta Estes <>wrote:

> David,
>
> In regards to haplogroup C (ydna) and migration patterns, I was
> surprised to find that the AcadianIndian project has only haplogroup C
> folks. Some of these people are "card carrying" tribal members. They
> have no haplogroup Q, which would be by ar the expected haplogroup to
> find in that region. Given that the Micmac were Algonquian speakers,
> and so were many of the tribes on the Eastern seaboard area of the US
> (at first contact), especially in the northern half from NC/VA
> northward, I would expect then to see some C in that area as well if
> hap C is to be found among the same ancestral group, but from the work
> I just did relative to a compilation of all of the data for a Lost
> Colony analysis, there is no haplogroup C in that area.
>
> So yes, something happened and we don't yet see the entire picture.
>
> Roberta
>
>
>
> You wrote:
>
> There is now some discussion about the C3 group (Y-DNA) having arrived
> in the Central Plains much later (c. 8 k ybp) than the Q dominated
> initial group (c. 14 k ybp).
> The entire migration situation may be much more complicated or
> different than our conceptualizations to date. It appears by the
> archaeological and morphological record that in North American the C3
> group (e.g., Plano
> group)
> may have largely replaced the earlier group (e.g., Clovis group).
> They likely brought autosomal and x sequences that are not today found
> in South America. Hence the only way we are going to see them, if
> there was a founder effect involving a second migration that did not
> reach South America, is by collection of reference samples from North
America.
>
> There is also the region flanking the Xibo block toward the telomeric
area.
> As you know it is about 12 Mb and does not match any group, no matter
> how low you set the bar. It would make sense that this is a rare
> block, due to a founder effect and like mtDNA X2a is perhaps only to
> be found in the Great Lakes region - not elsewhere in the Americas or
> in Asia. If found in NA of the central regions of North America only,
> then as with the otherwise mysterious X2a, it is NA. I don't see how
> one could "unearth" this data any other way than collecting reference
> samples from the few regions where it is likely to be found.
>
>
>
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