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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: [DNA] Fw: R-L21 vs. R-U152
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2009 18:40:53 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
To: "Alan R" <>
Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R-L21 vs. R-U152


>I was talking about S21, not L21. Maybe there's a mix up here.
> My hunch is S21 had its founding in same general area and time as I1
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan R" <>
> To: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] R-L21 vs. R-U152
>
>
> I can see that because there is plenty of evidence for a huge historic
> period expansion of the Germans from the last centuries BC to the Viking
> Age. However L21 is essentially a NW European clade mainly found west of
> the Rhine and in the isles. I cannot see any evidence in any period for a
> major out of isles expansion south into NW and west-central Europe.
>
> Alan
>
>
> Ken said
>
> [[[ I know your message was all about R; but I think the evidence is
> pretty good that I1 probably spread north to south, originating in the
> general North Sea shore, Elbe mouth, Baltic Sea shore belt. The expansion
> of the Germanics in this same north to south direction could have been
> partially responsible for the I1 spread, although maybe somewhat delayed
> from TMRCA of I1.
>
> S21+ haplogroup of R could have spread in the same people movements that
> spread I1. The coalescence ages of the two haplogroups are similar.
> Ken ]]]
>


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