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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 14:50:48 -0700
References: <6BA4EC54B27B42AC82943D34FB31C083@RobertPC><00c001caa446$2e5e7a10$6400a8c0@Ken1><AE78C03BBDDA4C568A0BE8A09CCB60E8@bobPC>


But that 3000 years for U106 with null 435 seems somewhat younger than the
age of all of U106


----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Bootle" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 2:08 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster


> Thanks for your comment Ken.
> Yes. I saw the SigmaG value in your program.
> So it seems that all my calculated periods are to be treated as more or
> less
> the same.
> Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
>
>
>> After consideration of the statistical confidence intervals that go with
>> the
>> estimates, the timing of the various populations is inconclusive.
>> All those ages must be considered as close to being statistically
>> equivalent.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bob Bootle" <>
>> To: <>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 1:04 PM
>> Subject: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
>>
>>
>>>A collection was made of 153 haplotypes of R:U106 with 67 Markers and STR
>>>DYS425=Null
>>> The haplotypes were obtained from YSearch and other public databases.
>>>
>>> The haplotypes were sorted by geographical location using the country of
>>> earliest ancestor and
>>> where that failed, using the surname as an indicator of the country of
>>> earlier ancestors.
>>>
>>> Two resources were used to identify the most likely nationality of the
>>> surnames; firstly the
>>> International Genealogical Index ( IGI ) which has surname entries from
>>> European countries back to
>>> the early 15th Century; secondly, the National Trust Names profiler,
>>> which
>>> uses the 1881 Census.
>>>
>>> Haplotypes with repeated surnames were removed from the list.
>>>
>>> The remaining 140 haplotypes were distributed as follows:-
>>>
>>> England 53
>>> Germany 24
>>> Ireland 14
>>> Scotland 12
>>> Wales 9
>>> Switzerland 7
>>> France 6
>>> Austria 4
>>> Belgium 3
>>> Denmark 3
>>> Italy 2
>>> Finland 1
>>> Portugal 1
>>> Poland 1
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All haplotypes from mainland Europe were added together and compared
>>> with
>>> those of England
>>>
>>>
>>> The 53 England and 51 Mainland Europe haplotypes were inserted in the "
>>> Generations 4 " spreadsheet
>>> of Ken Nortdvedt.
>>>
>>> This showed that Ga coalescence England = 102 generations
>>> Gb coalescence Europe = 95 generations
>>> GABw = 101 generations
>>>
>>> On the face of it, this seems to suggest that the R:U106 Null425 RecLoH
>>> may have been in England
>>> for about 150 years before it was in mainland Europe.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any constructive comments would be gratefully received.
>>>
>>> Bob Bootle
>>>
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