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From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 05:05:12 -0500
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>From: Vincent Vizachero <>
>Indeed, the calculation is not complex which leads one to wonder why
>you are getting it wrong.
>Perhaps if you posted your work, we could help you spot your error.

I repeat:

>I have heard these words many times from those who did not bother to
>calculate margins of error themselves, and, more than that, they had no
>idea
>how to calculate margins of error. However, they were quick with their
>"opinion". As always.

The first and particularly the second sentence by VV only confirms my
observation.



>From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
>
>Dear Ken,
>
>I have heard these words many times from those who did not bother to
>calculate margins of error themselves, and, more than that, they had no
>idea
>how to calculate margins of error. However, they were quick with their
>"opinion". As always.
>
>In that regard, it is strange to hear those words from you. You know how to
>calculate margins of error. Why did not you do it, before expressing your
>opinion? In my book of science it is a no-no.
>
>I took 284 of 25-marker haplotypes, verified that they are derived from one
>(technically) common ancestor, and found that they contained 1853 mutations
>from the base (ancestral) haplotype. Your take?
>
>Best regards,
>
>Anatole Klyosov


----- Original Message -----
>From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
>
> Null-DYS425-U106, 3325+/-540 ybp
> R-U106*, 4175+/-430 ybp
>
> Anatole Klyosov


> >From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
>>But that 3000 years for U106 with null 435 seems somewhat younger than
>>the age of all of U106 (...)




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