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From: "Irish III DNA" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Some haplotypes that had a problem on Whit's predictor
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 22:41:38 +1100
In-Reply-To: <6BBE62C0045D4CD1B02F5BF0FDA67229@PC>


Andrew wrote:-
I have these from a recent survey. I can say more generally that Whit's
predictor had big problems with most J1a divisions with this marker set, but
perhaps the J1a splitting in Whit's predictor is a bit ambitious for this
number of markers.

The sequence is
393-390-19-391-385-439-389i-392-389ii-458-437-448-h4-456-438-c4

These ones seemed surprising though, because the decision is between
phylogenetically distant clades...

1. The following two haplotypes were predicted as either E1b1b or J1, with a
slight favour to J1:-
13-23-14-10-15-18-13-13-11-31-17-14-20-20-15-10-21
13-23-14-10-16-18-13-13-11-31-17-14-20-20-15-10-21

Being more familiar with E1b1b, I am surprised J1 can be so E like?

But I am wondering if the H4 might be a conversion issue.

2. The following was either R1b or T:-
13-24-15-10-13-15-11-14-13-29-16-15-19-21-16-11-23
****************************************************************************************

There definitely seems to be a problem with the H4 values. Conversion normally is only ? 1 but the range is only 7-14 so 20 or 21
doesn't fit.
Have you tried Jim Cullen's predictor?
http://members.bex.net/jtcullen515/haplotest.htm

It doesn't have a slot for C4/635 but without this marker and H4, it produced the following:-

The first two sequences it shows as:-
E3b =>42% E3b-M34 =>27% J1-M267 =>14% E3b-V12 =>9% E3b-V22 =>5% I-P37.2 =>1%
and E3b =>44% E3b-M34 =>21% E3b-V12 =>18% E3b-V22 =>7% J1-M267 =>6% I-P37.2 =>1%

The third is:- R1b-Irish/Continental =>47% R1b-S.Irish =>26% R1b-Frisian4 =>14% I-P37.2 =>4% R2-M124-Cluster-B =>3%
R1b-C.Europe =>2% Ix-S23 =>1% R1b-Ub =>1%

Cheers
Dennis Wright



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