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From: "Alister John Marsh" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Variance Assessment of R:U106 DYS425Null Cluster
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 20:59:22 +1300
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In-Reply-To: <2C77AA7D19054DCA9DE98B38F204663D@john>


Anatole,

A correction to the information I gave you below earlier. I clipped the
table a bit short, and took off marker 37 in my original post. I have added
it below.

John.


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I have an example for you to consider. Can you make anything of the 11
haplotypes of 37 markers below?



A 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 17 17
11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 38 12 12



B 13 24 14 10 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 16 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 39 12 12



C 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 16 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 39 12 12



D 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14 16 16 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 14 17 35 39 12 12



E 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 17 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 19 17 35 39 12 12



F 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 19 17 35 39 12 12



G 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 34 39 12 12



H 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 17 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 39 12 12



I 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 28 14 16 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 36 39 12 12



J 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 25 15 19 29 14 15 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 37 12 12



K 13 24 14 11 12 14 12 12 11 13 13 29 16 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 29 14 15 17 17

11 11 19 23 15 14 18 17 35 37 12 12



For this group, I have many more haplotypes, but only the above complete to
37 markers. The criteria I used for selecting this group, was that they
were all I had which were complete to 37 markers, so I have not tried to
make some tricky selection to mislead you. Some of the above have been
tested to 130+ markers, and a number to 67 or 76 or more markers.



I don't know when the common ancestor was for this group, but I know dates
it must have been before, and can speculate dates it was probably before. I
have some speculative ideas about when the common ancestor might have been,
based in part on genealogical data which might imply opportunities for a
common ancestor to have lived.



I don't know the ancestral haplotype. What do you think the ancestral
haplotype was? How far back do you estimate to the common ancestor using
your system, and what confidence interval range would you give for that
estimate? I have been puzzling over this group for years, and it would be
interesting to see how your estimates compare to my current thinking on the
group. I have an advantage over you in that I do have more marker
information, and some paper trail and context information. But I would be
interesting to see how you evaluate this group based on the limited
information I have given you above.



John.
















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