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From: Michael Walsh <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] DYS395S1 (followed)
Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 15:21:40 -0600


Yes, I actually had Driscoll and Newman in both an 11-13 sub-group as
well as the MacMartin group which I was labeling 2213MM (at least
recently) with the general criteria 390=22 388=13 389ii-i=15. I see
you have a more extensive criteria which I think is 439=13 458=16
464c=16 460=10 456=15 576=17 570=18 CDY=35,37 395s1a=16 406s1=11.

What do you think? Is the 617=13 mutation a recent mutation for
Driscoll and Newmans since it doesn't seem to appear in the rest of
MacMartin? ... I wish we had a few more 67 length haplotypes in the

Regards, Mike

-----> Kirsten <> wrote:

I place Driscoll and Newman in the MacMartin Superfamily, which is
much the same as or at least overlaps with one of your other
groupings. I think you call it the 1410 group.


-----> My <> prior response to Pat:
Pat, please send me the spreadsheet you have as well. I'm interested
in your analysis.
The below group has 395s1=16,16. They also have 617=13 and 406s1=11
so I classify them with the 11-13 Combo sub-groups. I wouldn't
associate them with Wales though, at least not closely. All of the
below except Newman, have tested for L21, They are all L21+.
6C3G6 - Conrardy - Luxembourg, Pratz
BWUY3 - Driscoll - Ireland, Co. Cork
F9KZK - Gilroy
3FQK8 - Newman
Z69DA - Steinsland(Hjelmeland) - Norway, Rogaland, Hjelmeland
Driscoll and Newman also have 388=13 while Conrardy and Steinsland
also have 19/394=15.
Regards, Mike.

-----> Pat / wrote:
Hello, Didier. You said that DYS395S1=16,16 is known - it is also
modal for one of the R-L21* clusters. That particular cluster has
been called the Welsh Modal or Wales Modal, because it is comprised
of mostly Welsh origin surnames. I will send you a spread sheet with
that cluster included.

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