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From: "Tom Glad" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA X1 in Eastern Europe
Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 18:46:56 -0800
Interesting observation. I have FGS data from 3 X2b's and an X2d with the 146 mutation, along with the 11 X1s. The X1s do all lack the 1719A that would make them an X2.
mtDNA Haplogroup X Project Co-administrator
Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:49:45 -0600
From: "Lawrence Mayka" <>
Subject: [DNA] mtDNA X1 in Eastern Europe
My project has 18 members of mtDNA X, 10 of them with HVR2 results. Until
recently, I did not examine these results closely against the subclade
definitions; I simply accepted the conventional wisdom that X1 only reached
as far as the Middle East, and hence all mtDNA X in my project belonged to
X2. Until today, only one of these project members had undergone an FGS,
and the result was X2b. That member appears to have Ashkenazi matrilineage.
Today, a project member's FGS result was X1, with the following control
Ashkenazi matrilineal ancestry is unlikely.
I compared this with the tree at phylotree.org, and soon realized that the X
tree at that web site bears very little correspondence to Eastern European
reality. The tree shows X1 defined by a 146 mutation. My project has
plenty of those, including both the known X1 above and the known X2b:
(known X2b, Ashkenazi, plus 2 more who match HVR1+HVR2)
So let's say that the known X2b and its matches constitute a rare subclade
with an independent 146 mutation. Is the other one a probable X1 on account
of that same 146C mutation? All have 195C, usually associated with X2, but
look again above--the known X1 also has 195C. So neither 146C nor 195C
really distinguishes between X1 and X2 at all.
Moreover: A 153 mutation is typical of X except for certain subclades
within X2. But neither the known X1 nor the probable X1 have that.
So perhaps we are to conclude that:
1) Poland has native X1, otherwise unknown outside Africa and the Middle
2) Control-region mutations on the official phylotree for X should be
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