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From: Vince Tilroe <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] L21 and U106 Deep Clade Results
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2010 11:02:36 -0700
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I'm not surprised at all. What can be done to check this is to extend both
haplotypes to 67 markers and see if the GD proximity holds. Also, the most
telling marker would be DYS492. An L21+ man would most likely have
DYS492=12 while a U106+ man would most likely have DYS492=13.

If this is the case, it speaks volumes about the importance of using at
least 67 marker haplotypes supported by a deep-clade test for anyone with a
predicted R1b1b2 haplotype, regardless of surnames and origins. Anything
less is just not good enough.

Vince T.

On 26 February 2010 03:28, Margaret Jordan <> wrote:

> I have been surprised by Deep Clade test results for two members in the
> O'Shea yDNA Project. Two individuals are only a genetic distance of 4
> apart on 37 markers (FTDNA) and they have the same surname and their
> ancestors come from the same county in Ireland (Kerry). One has tested
> L21+ and the other tested U106+.
> The person who is L21+:
> DYS390=24
> DYS391=10
> DYS 460=11
> DYS GATA H4=10
> and person who is U106+ has:
> DYS390=23
> DYS391=11
> DYS460=12
> DYS GATA H4=11
> DYS391 and DYS GATA H4 do seem to form a pattern with one "half" of the
> Kerry Group having a value of 10 on DYS391 and a value of 10 on DYS GATA
> H4 while the other "half" has values 11 and 11 respectively.
> Other members of the project have tested L21+ and further testing is now
> being done to see if the 106+ result is widespread and if it follows the
> DYS391 & GATA H4 pattern of STR results.
> Does anyone have any thoughts on the above?
> Margaret Jordan
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