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From: Tom Gull <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Danish "homeland" of Viking Era emigrants toEastern England and Normandy
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 15:45:38 -0500
Argh. Myres et al in my previous post, not Myles et al. Coffee!!!
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 09:20:55 -0800
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Danish "homeland" of Viking Era emigrants to Eastern England and Normandy
> Alpine Austria is a "special case". It was part of Rhaetia, a region that
> was always culturally and perhaps genetically different from the surrounding
> communities. There is some evidence that large numbers of Etruscans moved
> there after the Celtic incursions - which may explain the high instance of
> haplogroup G there. It may also have been a hotspot for incoming Germanic
> peoples from the Baltic. Rome created a separate province of Rhaetia
> reflecting the population structure at the time. "Hotspots" for most
> haplogroups will occur in more than one area and it is not particularly
> surprizing that Rhaetia differs from Lombardy and may tell us something of
> the genetic history of each region - hence the importance of regional sample
> - as I have said, particularly in Denmark.
> The study you are speaking of is that of Neiderstatter et al. (2007) which
> only samples Innsbruck deep in Rhaetia. I have discussed this paper in one
> of my manuscripts and will review it again in due course. As I recall
> R-U152 made up about 10% of the sample - which is not terribly surprising to
> me (although if only 10% was found in the Black Forest region I would be
> "shocked to my bootstraps").
> David K. Faux.
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 12:10 PM, Tom Gull <> wrote:
> > It's all about the signal to noise ratio at such low numbers. If you can be
> > convinced of all of that by such low volumes, then you must also be very
> > accepting of the concept that Alpine Austria is a U106+ hotspot equal to the
> > Netherlands. That's based on the earlier study (not personal test data
> > mining) that showed U106+ to be something like almost 70% of R1b1c there.
> > But I seem to recall that similarly sized numbers there were discarded as
> > being too small a sample to be believable...
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