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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Clades, Definitions, Discoveries, FTDNA
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 18:58:04 -0700
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From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <>

and clades are
> defined, not discovered. [[Wrong; the clades that have been discovered
> are there in nature as property of the y tree whether we happened to
> discover them or not. Properties of nature that exist independent of us
> are to be discovered. Things in math and logic are more the subject
> matter of definitions. Ken ]]

> There are no Jewish "clades" (beyond individual families) any more than
> there is
> a Jewish "race

[[[ Jewish ydna clades exist at a number of places in the y tree. These are
clades made up of extended haplotypes heavily populated by self-identified
Jewish males but varying surnames and often having similar geographical
places of origin as well. The clades are strong evidence of common descent
from Jewish males at various lengths of time in the past.

There was nothing in the message you responded to about Jewish "race", so
what brought you to drag that in? Ken ]]]

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