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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Clades, Definitions, Discoveries, FTDNA
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 09:16:40 -0700
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From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <>
> I balked at your use of "Jewish" clade in the same way that I would balk
> if you
> said I belonged to a "Christian" clade. >
If a clade within the major haplogroups of China or India were found, with
TMRCA of centuries ago, and present males of the clade happening to be
mainly Christian in their religion or having family histories of Christian
practice in the past, I'd call it a "Christian" clade. It would be most
As I spelled out, that's the kind of y clades being found within Europe.
They have TMRCAs centuries old; they consist mainly of Jewish men or men
knowing of family history of descending from a Jewish ancestor, and they are
clades from (within) the standard y haplogroups of Europe --- rather than
the J1 purported clades which could very well be traced back to Levant
ancestry 2000 years ago or so.
If you are raising the strawman that y haplotypes don't incline one to be of
one religion or the other, you are way off base. Y haplotypes are mainly,
indeed almost exclusively, used to trace lines of descent.