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From: Vincent Vizachero <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Clades, Definitions, Discoveries, FTDNA
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:19:35 -0500
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Though Ken clearly needs no defense from off-target attacks, let's
not butcher history.

If anyone has been using a sloppy definition of "clade" I don't know
who that could be. Whenever I've seen Ken use the word "clade", that
word has represented a monophyletic group.

VV


On Mar 12, 2010, at 11:15 AM, Diana Gale Matthiesen wrote:

> Yes, the word "clade" has both a lay definition, meaning simply
> "group," and a
> technical definition, as used in cladistics, meaning a
> *monophyletic* group.
> The Y-DNA haplotree is a cladogram, a product of cladistic
> analysis. Its
> branches are, to the best of our current knowledge, monophyletic
> clades. In
> these discussions, we should be using the technical definition of
> the word. The
> word "group" is still available for other uses.


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