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From: "Ken Nordtvedt" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Clades, Definitions, Discoveries, FTDNA
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 14:08:12 -0700
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <>

The real problem, IMO, is your persistence in calling your demographic
> groups, "clades," when they are "populations" -- or "ethnic groups," if
> you
> prefer.

[[ Why don't you just quit running around misrepresenting other people?

I don't prefer to call clades "ethnic groups", because most of the time they
are not confined to so-called ethnic groups. I don't even generally think
in terms of ethnic groups thousands of years ago, let alone today. There
are geographical correlations with various discovered clades. Sometimes
those correlations are quite strong, and sometimes they are weaker. That
permits sometimes tilting the probabilities of geographical place of origin
of the male ancestral line if a haplotype is measured and found to belong to
a clade.

As for the "Jewish clades", they are quite young (centuries rather than
millenia) and point back to founders in historic Jewish communities, as seen
not only by geography, but by surnames and by the self-identifications of
many of the members today as being of Jewish ancestry. Personally, I
consider the Jewish community more a cultural community than an ethnic
community. One has to simply visit Israel to see that Jews of today come
from many races. ]]




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