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Subject: Re: [DNA] English genealogy
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:27:43 +1100

Hi Peter
I found your post very interesting, and made my own Yorkshire case even more unusual.I was amazed when I confirmed a DNA match with a suspected extremely distant relative, with a variation of my uncommon surname of Medley, ( the family originated around Methley in Yorkshire)the DNA indicated a common ancestor about 700 years ago which is what we expected. What we didn't expect was the I2b1 Isles S subclade, indicating our paternal family existence well before the Romans, and probably the Celts.I wasn't aware of the Norman actions so now I am even more surprised.

> peter spencer <> wrote:
> Kathy, i think you would do well to remind them that after William the
> Conquerors 'Harrying of the North',
> there were only about a thousand residents left alive in the regional
> census
> even ten years later.. The population of York rose to expel the
> (outnumbered) Norman occupation forces in their midst, and did so
> successfully, however they were all but wiped from the (genomic) map by
> the
> punitive massacres that followed, intended to denude the region of any
> resistance, and disuade others from following the example of the North.
> Remember, the Normans were a identifiable occupation force, far
> outnumbered
> by their conquered subjects- any hint on resistance presented a very
> real
> likelyhood of their forces being not only defeated, but completely wiped
> out. The Normans chose at the first hint of such possibility to
> exterminate
> the resistance first, which is what was done to Yorkshire. Anyone
> asserting
> an unbroken (Paternal) ancestry in Yorkshire back into the Roman period
> is
> either unfamiliar with the history of the region, or would be a
> exception to
> the rule, on par with the odds of winning a national lottery.
> Thus- its very unlikely most/any of those folks ancestry were actually
> present in York prior to 1067-8, since those that were there were
> enmasse
> slaughtered punitively, with the exception of some females.
> The (bragging) descriptions of the era are that of a northern landscape
> literally devoid of people for many years to come. Most in not all of
> the
> current Yorkshire population are likely backfilled from other regions
> many
> generations after the ''Harrying'' or are the descendants of Normans /
> norman authorized migrants, coupled with
> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 5:47 PM, <> wrote:
> > > Did you actually get any DNA participants as a result of your
> > > message?
> > >
> > > Nancy
> > -------------
> >
> > What I really enjoy now is just hearing from Yorkshire every year in
> > August when the townspeople become archaeologists and do their annual
> > dig around the local golf course. They are dedicated amateur
> > archaeologists over there just like we think we are population
> > geneticists here. They have produced all kinds of evidence showing
> that
> > the soldiers who served as auxiliary forces stayed on long after the
> > Romans left and probably fathered children, hence supporting my
> > suggestion that the ancestry goes back 2000 years.
> >
> > Kathy J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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