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From: Dienekes Pontikos <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Map of Indian haplogroups in Indonesia
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 00:00:15 +0200
Who said anything about Soqotra having an influence on Indonesia?
J* is certainly unusual today on a global scale. But if there's a
place in a world where it is dominant (Soqotra) then there's no reason
to think that finding it as a _minority_ of 3/18 in a different place
requires any sort of special explanation or, indeed, is difficult to
Just as Soqotra was colonized by people from the Near East that bore
J*, so some J* bearing people were among the colonizers of Indonesia.
Nothing that is too difficult to explain in the whole situation.
On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 11:47 PM, argiedude <> wrote:
> That's extremely unrealistic. First of all, they found just 2 samples of R1b1b2 and 3 samples of J*. So you're saying the insignificant island of Soqotra, a place that could fit into a corner of Sicily and whose current population is the size of a large town, could have had a greater population impact on Indonesia than the Europeans who controlled the entire place for centuries?
> These J* lineages appeared in Vietnam and Bali. Where are the Soqotran J*'s from India, Yemen, Arabia, Oman, Iran, Tanzania?
>> Why is it impossible? In island Soqotra there is plenty of J*(xJ1,J2)
>> (in fact it was the dominant group within J). There's nothing
>> "impossible" about 3/18 being J*.
>> On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 12:42 AM, argiedude <> wrote:
>> > In Semino's 2004 study of y-dna J, she found 700 samples that belonged to J (12f2.1), and all of them fell into either J1 or J2. This study of Indonesia found 3 samples of J(xJ1,J2) out of 18 total J samples. That's an almost impossible likelihood. Semino's study included 37 J samples from the Indian subcontinent (and of course, none of them were J*).
>> >> On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 4:01 AM, argiedude <> wrote:
>> >> > You're also forgetting about the 3 samples of J*, which are even harder to explain, as a historic event, than R1b1*.
>> >> Why more difficult? There were plenty of Arab visits to Indonesia.
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