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From: Jonathan Day <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Anyone know anything about L258?
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 13:57:56 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <004c01caf2d7$fb124750$48692dae@Ken1>


Ok, thanks. Unless there's some spill-over into the Scandanavian groups in the future, I think I can reasonably conclude I'm L258- then.

If I'm understanding the way this works, then L258+ is either going to be synonymous with I1-Bothnian or be some subset of it, but so far looks like a synonym.

Assuming I'm correct on this, and one of the clades identified within I1d actually has been confirmed by SNP, perhaps the other clades will be generally accepted and included on the ISOGG and FTDNA trees.

--- On Thu, 5/13/10, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:

> From: Ken Nordtvedt <>
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Anyone know anything about L258?
> To:
> Date: Thursday, May 13, 2010, 1:07 PM
> >From the information I have been
> sent in the last few days, I1-Bothnian (the
> primarily Finn clade of I1) clade of L22+ is L258+.  A
> collection of
> Scandinavians from other L22+ clades have consistently been
> found negative
> for L258, while the L22- I1-AS folks also have been found
> L258-.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Day" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 1:43 PM
> Subject: [DNA] Anyone know anything about L258?
>
>
> > According to the I1d mailing list:
> >>
> >>In the WTY-project from FTDNA they discovered a new
> SNP L258. It is a new
> >> >suclade downstream from L22 (I1d).
> >
> > However, the details were extremely sparse and it's
> unclear from the
> > posting which I1d's would find this SNP interesting.
> (For example, I1d is
> > already sub-divided in other listings. Does this new
> SNP further break
> > down one of these sub-divisions, is it synonymousi
> with one, or does it
> > bracket a collection of them?)
> >
> > Certainly, it's not on FTDNA's haplotree, although it
> IS offered for sale
> > on their website. With no description, though that
> doesn't tell me whether
> > it's because they have no information or they have no
> information that
> > would be useful for marketing.
> >
> > According to the I1d mailing list posting, there were
> four matches as of
> > the time of discovery. Google Search shows it was
> under discussion on the
> > DNA Forums as of April 19th, but I can't see any clear
> information on what
> > is known, what is theorized or who would be a good
> candidate for taking
> > the test.
> >
> > Yes, yes, I know, it's a recent discovery and
> information is slow to come
> > out. I'm impatient. I want to know what else was
> common amongst those who
> > matched, what else was common amongst those who
> didn't, whether more than
> > those four are known, etc.
> >
> > (It wouldn't hurt if someone said if there were any
> other suspected or
> > identified SNPs for I1d that aren't yet for sale -
> either because they're
> > not confirmed or they're private or whatever.)
> >
> > Jonathan Day
> >
> > P.S. If anyone knows of any good therapies for being
> impatient about the
> > slow progress of I1d, I'd like to know those as well.
> >
> >
> >
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