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Subject: Re: [DNA] Genetics of the Jews
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 12:37:50 +0000 (UTC)
>From: Sasson Margaliot < >
>In this thread J2 was mentioned as "non-Semitic" and "European". In my opinion, J2 is a primary original group of Levant (which itself is a
part of Eastern Mediterranean region) and is a group associated with, among
other linguistic groups, Western-Semitic languages.
>What do you think about that?
It all depends on a definition of the "non-Semitic" and "European" terms. It is means "not all J2 are Semitic" and "some of J2 are European", it is fine with me.
However, generally those statements are incorrect indeed. J2 is in a way as "Semitic" as J1. Granted, J1 is apparently "older" compared with J2 (I was able to dig to 19,000 years back for J1 and to 12,000 years back for J2 by analysis of their haplotypes), however, both of them are equally "legitimate" Jewish and Arabic haplogroups when we talk of the Middle East.
Furthermore, on some (self-serving? Political? Ignorance?) reasons J1 has been considered as a more "Jewish" haplogroup compared to J2. In the article which I have already cited in this thread
it was shown that the YDNA-split between the Jews and the Arabs occurred 4300+/-500 ybp in J1 haplogroup, and 4175+/-510 ybp in J2 haplogroup, that is the same time within margins of error. As one can see, J2 and J1 are "equivalent" in their "Jewishness". Furthermore, J2-Cohanim have a common ancestor who lived 3300+/-400 years bp, while J1-Cohanim' common ancestor lived only 1070+/-400 years bp. There was so much press on J-CMH, which in fact happened to be a mix of J1 and J2 and gave a superposition of haplotypes and mutations, and the respective haplotype tree falls apart into J1 and J2 and gave a phantom "common ancestor" which by some inexplicable reasons (see above) was ascribed only to J1. J2 was quietly thrown away. Such a manipulation.