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From: Sasson Margaliot <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Genetics of Jews
Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 11:37:06 +0300
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Itzhak


As you said, "we are dealing here with endogamous populations"

For the last thousand years, we even understand how and why.

But what happened before that time?


Sasson



On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Itzhak Epstein <> wrote:

> Anders,
> Your anecdotal observation is not novel. Still,
> I can often identify many Ashkenazim Jews with a high level of certainty.
> We are dealing here with endogamous populations
> and not with the discredited concept of race.
> On what historical facts do you base your claims?
> There has been admixture, but to what extent and
> is the pattern the same everywhere?
> Do you agree or disagree with the study's methodology and conclusions?
>
> Ellen,
> Yes. It is important to be skeptical about
> scientific conclusions that may be influenced by
> ideological and political agendas. Since you
> have been particularly outspoken in favor of
> recognizing greater admixtures during European
> Jewry's early history, what are your ideological
> foundations and positions regarding Jewish
> peoplehood? Please don't ignore the Z word. I
> would normally not ask such a question but in your case it is relevant.
>
> Itzhak
>
>
> At 02:46 AM 6/7/2010, Anders wrote:
> >As I understand the concept jews is not a
> >"racial" concept but an religous one. That's why
> >european jews look like europeans, middle east
> >jews look like middle easterners, etiopian jews
> >look like etiopians and chinese jews look like
> >chinese. They have a strong tendency to look
> >like the people in the area or country they
> >currently live in. Implicit that obviously
> >should mean that there have been quite much
> >admixture with the local population.
> >
> >Anders
> >
> >--- Den søn 2010-06-06 skrev ellen Levy <>:
> >
> > > I have pondered for a long time why it is SO important to
> > > Jewish researchers (like the very ones you mention in your
> > > post) to seek evidence of lack of admixture. Honestly,
> > > what is that about? It is really puzzling, and it
> > > certainly has hampered the study of Jewish DNA now for a
> > > very, very long time.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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