Archiver > GENEALOGY-DNA > 2010-06 > 1277223654

From: Steven Bird <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Request for I-M423 modal haplotype
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 12:20:54 -0400
References: <SNT115-W416BD9E90E1D31B8AA98A8CCC40@phx.gbl><SNT115-W213C17ADB5B38FCB4B0500CCC40@phx.gbl><008b01cb11bf$01cda070$48692dae@Ken1>,<EDD40F898B4F46A8B246A2781E027AE4@HP>,<00ac01cb1223$33087a20$48692dae@Ken1>
In-Reply-To: <00ac01cb1223$33087a20$48692dae@Ken1>

I love how everyone here is willing to interpret each other's motives so quickly. :-) I plan to use a summary mode and median haplotype as the assumed ancestral haplotype to run calculations in Ytime of a set of haplotypes from Montenegro to compare with the age of other haplogroups in the same region. The program needs an assumed ancestral modal of all M423 haplotypes to function correctly. Nothing more sinister than that. Scientific inquiry based on empirical evidence, ya know?

You may now return to your regular programming.


> From:
> To:
> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 09:54:26 -0600
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Request for I-M423 modal haplotype
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diana Gale Matthiesen" <>
> >
> > Any set of haplotypes has a modal, so an M423+ modal could be compiled.
> > How
> > useful that modal would be is another matter, but I can think of at least
> > one
> > use.
> [[ Constructing a modal haplotype for all M423+ would probably be worse than
> neutral for the vast majority of hobbyists or academics. There is probably
> no male in the world with a haplotype close to such a "modal haplotype" as
> every clade of living males has had many thousands of years to diverge by
> mutation from such a construction. As you said, your purposes can just as
> well use a series of arbitrary numbers as a reference point. But once a
> "modal" labeled the " M423+ modal" is out there floating around, it will be
> misused and misinterpreted forever by the unwary. KN]]
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail.

This thread: