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From: Gary Felix <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Fwd: Myres SNPS (was R1b founder effect in CentralandWestern Europe)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 17:45:01 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <00c301cb44b5$bd381650$48692dae@Ken1>


Forgetting the mutation rates, they show a Western to Southeastern European cline for S116 based on YSTR variance. S116* which is most frequent Iberia was not part of this analysis unfortunately.

Gary
Mexico DNA Project Admin.

--- On Wed, 8/25/10, Ken Nordtvedt <> wrote:


From: Ken Nordtvedt <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Fwd: Myres SNPS (was R1b founder effect in Central andWestern Europe)
To:
Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:29 PM


Forget about neolithic, holecene, paleolithic, ..... as far as the Myres et
al paper is concerned.  From reports I am hearing they use the wrong
mutation rates for their age estimates.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Felix" <>
To: <>
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Fwd: Myres SNPS (was R1b founder effect in Central
andWestern Europe)


> How do you believe this paper supports Neolithic origins for Europeans
> when the paper is about
> "A major Y-chromosome haplogroup R1b Holocene era
> founder effect in Central and Western Europe"?
>
> Gary
> Mexico DNA Project Admin.
>
> --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Mike W <> wrote:
>
>
> From: Mike W <>
> Subject: [DNA] Fwd: Myres SNPS (was R1b founder effect in Central and
> Western Europe)
> To:
> Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 9:32 AM
>
>
> This paper seems to validate Vince V's approach in the Ht35 project...
> or maybe they followed his project and decided to research it. I'm
> glad they are looking in the right places.
>
> I don't see this this as a Holocene series of events, at least the
> first half of it. The good news is that we are no longer talking
> about Paleolithic timeframes for R1b in Europe.
>
> Mike
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Vincent Vizachero <>
> Date: Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 11:02 AM
> Subject: [DNA] Myres SNPS (was R1b founder effect in Central and Western
> Europe)
> To:
>
>
> Robert,
>
> Thanks for posting.
>
> Readers should note that there are not any new SNPs within R-M269 in
> this paper. The authors use existing names for L11, L23, and S116.
> The "new" M-series SNPs are the same as existing ones:
> M412=L51
> M529=L21
>
>
> Three other SNPs were are phylogenetically equivalent to known SNPs
> (though not exactly the same mutation):
> M415 is equivalent to P25, but the authors remove this level of
> phylogeny altogether - a nice development
> M520 is equivalent to M269
> M478 is equivalent to M73
>
> Interestingly, the one new SNP in the paper is in haplogroup R2: M479
> now defines R2, while the known M124 now defines R2a.
>
> Vince
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Robert Hughes wrote:
>
>> R1b founder effect in Central and Western Europe
>>
>> Dienekes has an interesting post about R-M412 snp separating R1b
>> lineages.
>>
>> Short abstract: “--- the M412 SNP that largely separates the
>> majority of Central and West European R1b lineages from those observed
>> in Eastern Europe, the Circum-Uralic region, the Near East, the
>> Caucasus and Pakistan. “
>>
>> http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2010/08/r1b-founder-effect-in-central-and.html
>>
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