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From: Bonnie Schrack <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Iranian Y DNA J1 from Semnan
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:02:13 -0400


Hi Ricardo,

Thanks so much for your work on this, pointing out this interesting
haplotype, and for providing the link to those SMGF haplotypes, which we
can see belong to J1 because of their partial allele at DYS458. N89518
in the J project appears to have no matches whatsoever in the FTDNA
database. This reflects the awful lack of Iranian and Iraqi data
available to us.

In the J project, his closest matches have a GD of 5 on 12 markers.
They belong to J2. He has joined some J2 projects, apparently feeling
that was his most likely haplogroup. The GD between the Semnan Iranian
from SMGF and our project member is 8/12. But I agree it's possible
that he's J1, that's why I put him in that undetermined category. FTDNA
certainly should give him a backbone test. I'll write to them and
request it. Unfortunately there are no further test results pending for
him at this time.

Iran is very rich in all kinds of diversity, but more J2 than J1. It
should be very interesting to see what further testing reveals about
this haplotype.

Best,

Bonnie

> Possible J1 from Semnan (FTDNA J Project)
>
> N89518
>
> Shokri (n/a) Semnan city, Iran
>
> 13 23 15 10 11 17 11 17 13 12 11 29
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-DNA_J/default.aspx?fixed_columns=on
> <http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Y-DNA_J/default.aspx?fixed_columns=on&s
> ection=yresults> &section=yresults
>
> Confirmed J1 from Semnan (SMGF database)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/34v4w48
>
>
> They are possible J1 haplotypes from the ancient Iranian peoples
>
> The Iranian and Iberian matches can be seen at the SMGF table.
>
> The structure of the Iranian J1's have the distinct DYS 19=15 and 393=13.
>
> The possibility of the J1b motif 19=15, 390=22, 393=13 and 385=12 is clear.
>
> The difference between the Northern Iranian-Iberian J1's and the Southern
> Semitic J1's is a difference of SNPs like M365 and P58.
>
> The genetic distance is quite big and both groups are very old so more SNPs
> will be discovered in the two different clusters.

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