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Subject: Re: [DNA] 2 routes for P312 and U106 ?
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 15:28:56 -0400


I suspect you had very little data from France as FTDNA project have only few french entries.

> I thought I would point out that when I looked at this situation in
> February it appeared that based on the variance data for R-P312* samples
> from the FTDNA R-P312 project that the R-S116/P312 SNP occurred somewhere in
> Eastern Europe, Russia, or Ukraine. See
> 80 and the subsequent thread. That conclusion was based on a total of 124
> 67-marker haplotypes and a total of 169 37-marker haplotypes. In the paper
> by Myres et all there were a total of only 146 10-marker haplotypes.
> For my review of the U106 data see
> 97.
> Sincerely,
> Tim Janzen
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> The center of maximal variance would then be quite distant from France. I
> think some more discussion is needed on what really the maximal variance is
> pointing to. I would say it's close to the first place where expansion took
> place.
> It might be that P312 were next to U106 at the very beginning, before any
> real expansion or close to the beginning of expansion. Data are sparse for
> U106 and would be below the level of sampling for P312 around Poland . Then
> a fast migration (I mean in 1 or 2 generations) from this common center to
> western Europe (possibly France as indicated by the variance map) would have
> brought a small group a P312 to a new territory where expansion of this
> branch took place.
> Didier

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