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From: Rebecca <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Experimenting with Family Finder Chromosome Browser
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:16:17 -0400
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In-Reply-To: <747107.14121.qm@web88103.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


Your email was so heartening to read. One sometimes
fears that most DNA genealogy databases are and will always be
dominated by Americans whose paper trails stop at these shores. Like
you, my Family
Finder (atDNA) test has thrown up many 'cousins' with unfamiliar
surname lists. I suspect the common link is in pre-17C UK., but hope
of connecting is dim unless there are similar researchers to yourself
researching from that side, and with an interest in tracing their
emigrant lines using genetic testing.

As for my yDNA line, I tried to access Oxford Ancestors to search for
matches, but OA does not operate a public database like
Ysearch or Ancestry's self-upload public databases. Is there any other
testing company used chiefly by British or European researchers that
will accept persons tested by other companies?

-----Original Message-----
From: Elizabeth Kipp <>
To:
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [DNA] Experimenting with Family Finder Chromosome Browser


Thank you for your interesting summation. I have not followed through
on any 5th

cousin matches but have written to all 4th cousin matches (or greater
as it
says in the list). None have been productive other than sharing some
interesting

surnames. Thus far all have roots back into early US colonies with no
known
point of emigration. Since I have all British ancestry with only five
groups of
emigrant ancestor{s}s (all known to me for their point of origin and my
father/his parents were one set), I may be helpful to them in that
regard since
I know my history back quite a ways. I do have descendants of two of my
great
aunts who are American but do not have contacts for them. I am always
hopeful
one of them will test.


My reason for testing was to find 3rd or 4th cousins - I do not have
any first
cousins, all of my direct second cousins are known to me so felt that
Family
Finder might eventually locate my third cousins or fourth cousins many
of whom
may be descendants of known siblings of my ancestors but as they were
daughters
I can not always trace them down. I am  hoping to have some known 3rd
and 4th
cousins test and I see that as the most meaningful part of Family
Finder -
setting up a baseline where you know that particular segments belong to
a
particular line. It will be a slow process I suspect. I am going to
test one of
my siblings next.


I have two over 13cM and four over 11 cM longest block matches and we
are busy
investigating possible shared ancestry. In all cases their surnames
that match
are from families I have researched and these families are large in
England and
I have not traced all lines down so members could have emigrated. I am
working
away at significant ones where I have a lot of material. Americans are
not
always able to trace back to their emigrant ancestor being stuck in the
early
1700s knowing that their emigrant was probably a couple of generations
earlier.

So far no luck but the testing is in the early stages and does look
like it
could be quite productive in the future as more people test. With only
three
Canadian born ancestors - my mother, her father, and his mother all the
rest are

English (ie from one of the 20 counties in England from which I descend
thus
far).


Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp, BA, PLCGS
Guild of one-name studies #4600 - PINCOMBE and SIDERFIN
Webpage: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/
Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.com/
Email:




________________________________
From: David Faux <>
To:
Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 2:10:12 AM
Subject: Re: [DNA] Experimenting with Family Finder Chromosome Browser

Any match between myself and someone
with only a Colonial American background south of New Jersey, or Poland
or
or or is futile.  I have no ancestors from these groups.  I am blessed
with
a paper trail that is complete back to the 1700s in almost all lines. 
Out
of curiosity I have "compared notes" with quite a few in these
categories
but have to date drawn a blank.  My only matches are cousins I know, and
whose ancestors resided in Britain or Canada in recent times.

At this point I have an extensive list of surnames and places in my
profile.  If there is nothing there that rings a bell then no cigar and
as
far as I am concerned case closed - although I always reply to queries
despite the highly probable identical by state rather than identical
by descent (even two segments) match.

I have 8 cM matches with known 4th cousins, and 8 cM matches with
people who
are definitely not 4th cousins - and as far as I know from
investigating the
matter, not even 10th cousins.  There is nothing wrong with this in any
way
shape or form.  I would simply like to make the (obvious) point that all
individuals who are labelled "cousins" by the companies involved in the
matter are not what I would label kinfolk, but those with whom by
chance I
share Eurasian sequences. 

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