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From: vernade didier <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b and R1a fate
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2010 14:31:32 +0000 (GMT)
I decided to check ysearch for those R1b1b2 with DYS426=11 and DYS393=12 , 2 values that seem typical of the group [M269+ , L23- , L51-]. This is a try a get more data. I found some other clades but let start with this one.
I found that among those haplotypes with the 2 values above there is a solid clade of 38 haplotypes with additional value DYS392=14 and DYS511=11 and DYS413a=21 .
The geographical distribution is East Europe. It doesn't look jewish but I may be wrong.
Here are the ysearch IDs :
3M8PU , 4GKWV , 4MQ6J , 6NDWP , 76W5R , 8EXHY , 8GFTM , 9PT2A , AGXYH , BAHAY , CKMWX ,CWQKZ , CZ6H9 , D7KXH , E2ARM , EVQXJ , G7U9V , GDGK6 , HGNKF , HURXA , MQKB4 , MS4MR , NX2ET , PWUBQ , QGYT6 , QTX89 , RTSY6 , S37A5 , SMNTN , T75CF , TKCMA , TNG66 , UZPQF , VHMHZ , WBAES , YJDRT , YRA5P , 2ZWRS
This clade is recent and populated. I am wondering whether it influenced the previous calculations of TMRCA. It's like studying R-L21 without the knowledge of M222 and finding many R-L21 with similar haplotypes.
Just curious : who are these guys ? Any aristocratic lineage ?