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From: Mike W <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Who is Celt ?
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 09:25:50 -0600
Dear Didier and Janet,
If you are equating a "homestead" to a point of origination or
expansion, I disagree. The British Isles may be more of a destination
than an early expansion point for L21. Here is the European
Continental and Scandinavian distribution from the R-L21* Plus
As you can see, Northern France and the Rhine Valley have a lot of
L21* folks, too.
Perhaps Anatole Klyosov will add his comments, but here are his TMRCA
calculations based on R-L21 project data:
The full table and explanation is at
Some people attribute R-L21 on the Continent and in Scandinavia to
Irish back-migrations, but that does not make sense. A very, very
common R-L21 subclade is R-M222, also known as the "Nortwest Irish,"
although I think they should be called the "Northwest Irish and
Lowland Scots." In the Myres study, almost three of ten R-L21 folks in
Ireland were M222.
Out of 580 R-M222 haplotypes that I can find from DNA projects, only
one is from France, six from Germany, and one from Norway. The Myres
study only had one Continental R-M222 person and one Scandinavian.
There should be much higher numbers of R-M222 in Scandinavia or on the
Continent if R-L21 "all" was a product of back-migrations there.
---------- Vernade Didier wote:
Yes, may be England is really the homestead for R-l21 ...
---------- Janet wrote :
.... But things appear to be different in England where they seem safe
to spread out and occupy much of the island making it more of a