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From: Karen Hodges <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Markers that determine someone is Irish and Scottish
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2011 19:33:35 +1000
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Hi Tyrone

Thank you.

Someone recently told me that their y dna test has link them to
being Scottish. I am waiting for them to get back to me with what it was.
Their paper trial has taken them back to the mid 1700's still in England.

My Mother's paternal line was Grant and the paper trial is back to the late
1600's in England, it may go back further. Oral history says our ancestors
came from Stirling Scotland. If the paper trial runs out in England could
dna testing prove that the family were once from Scotland?

Karen

On Sat, Jul 9, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tyrone Bowes Ph.D. <>wrote:

> Hi Karen,
>
> I lived in Scotland for 10 years, married a Chinese Scot and besides this
> the Scots are a very divergent bunch. Probably the only thing that unites
> them is their dislike of the English ;-).
> In the Highlands and Islands including the Western Isles and southwest
> Scotland many would be descendants of Gaels from the North of Ireland.
> There
> is also a heavy Norman influence throughout, then theres the Vikings who
> settled in the East and Orkney but also in the Western Isles (these in turn
> gave rise to Mercenary Scots known as Gallowglass). Then theres the Picts
> who appear to have been absorbed into Gaelic culture and disappeared as
> such. Then there is also the 1/5 of the population in Scotland at present
> who are descendant from Irish emigrants from the 18th and 19th century
> In Ireland there appear to be 2 groups, Northern Niall of the Nine hostages
> group, and the Southern Irish. It may be that the Northern Irish group was
> the 'Scotti' that settled in Scotland. But to confuse matters further, one
> of my members of the Southern Irish group (Donohoe) had matches to Scottish
> Robertsons.
>
> So markers to tell them apart I think is unlikely.
>
> Tyrone

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