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From: "Belinda Dettmann" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b-P312-L617 subclade
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2011 17:18:50 +1000
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Hi John

I've just read your most interesting message to the DNA list about your L617
subclade. This sounds exciting, and I would be delighted if you could join
the Northumberland project, as you suggested earlier. It might be
appropriate for your various L617+ matches to join there too, so we can have
an example of the values of WTY and subclade SNP testing. You would all be

You may not be aware that there is a similar hunt going on to find a SNP to
define the Royal Stewart subclade, which is presently categorized as
belonging to R-L21 with STR values GATAH4=10, 406S1=11, 565=11. We have a
member of the Royal Stewart group undergoing WTY testing at present, in the
hope of finding a SNP in addition to the defining STR values. I say we, as
I'm also Co-Admin of the Stewart DNA group, and I'm fascinated by the Y-DNA
genetics of the various Scottish surnames.

Congratulations on your success with L617.



-----Original Message-----
[mailto:] On Behalf Of Alister John Marsh
Sent: Saturday, 25 June 2011 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b-P312-L617 subclade


I will join the Northumberland group. I see a few partial DNA matches in
that project I need to look at more carefully, but none very close yet.

I will look up the list of Scottish families I have been interested in, and
let you know.

It seems that Johnstones and Armstrong families were descended male line
from Uchtred de Tyndall, who was speculated by some to be an ancestor
(uncertain if male line) of the Barons de Tyndall. I am not yet convinced
that the Barons de Tyndall were descended from Uchtred's male line, although

a few Johnstones and Armstrongs have slight Y-DNA similarity to me. There
are a number of other Scottish families which are similar haplotypes to me,
but I need to look them up to refresh my memory. I recall some Crawfords
had some Y-DNA similarity. I wondered if a Bruce from Carlisle could have
been the origin of the Baron de Tyndalls, but that investigation is work in
progress. I think some Campbells had some Y-DNA similarity to me.


-----Original Message-----
From: Belinda Dettmann
Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [DNA] R1b-P312-L617 subclade

Hi John

Would you like to join the Northumberland-England DNA Project? I've just
become the Admin and in view of your possible Tyndale origins I invite you
to join our ranks. Have you had the chance to look at your WTY details on
the finch2 site yet? You mention that a few Scottish families share some
off-modal markers with you. May I enquire which families these are?


>[mailto:] On Behalf Of Alister John Marsh

>As far back as 2005 at least, I was advocating on this list that it would
>be useful for an organization to offer a test of around 100,000 bases of
>Y-DNA looking for new Y-SNPs. My proposals were a bit vague on detail, but

>I was trying to sell a concept for enabling wider involvement in Y-SNP

Thomas at FTDNA thought of a clever idea for testing around 100,000 bases of

non sequential sections of Y-DNA, and WTY came into being. That was
eventually expanded to 200,000 bases. Although WTY was just what I dreamed
of in 2005, I was unable to purchase a test myself until recently. WTY
results were in for me today, and L617 is a new SNP reported for me, a
mutation G to A at 8526862. As far as I know I am the only person with this

SNP to date, unless it was discovered in someone who has not allowed their
WTY results to be public, or in the 1000 genomes project.

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