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From: "G. Magoon" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Z77 a dud
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 18:27:04 -0400
Unfortunately, as far as I can tell, there are no published STR results for
the two individuals that seem to be M223+/Z77-, but their location/ancestry
NA11932: CEU (Caucasian in Utah of northwestern European descent)
NA20351: ASW (African-American from southwestern U.S)
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Kenneth Nordtvedt
> Z77 is pretty broadly derived according to initial reported results --- a
> P78+, what I am 99.9% sure is an M284+, a few Roots and a few Continental
> both the young and old types.
> This suggests Z77 sits very deep in the M223+ subtree.
> Any ideas where we look to find a M223+ Z77- ? It is not cost effective to
> search all known M223+ in the search.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: G. Magoon
> Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [DNA] Z77 a dud
> I made a rookie mistake when I reported that Z77 was parallel to M284,
> P78, P95 as I recently posted on DNA-Forums:
> My apologies for this oversight.
> However, I'm not sure that I would jump to the conclusion yet that this is
> dud; the data from the 1000 Genomes Project suggest that should still be a
> phylogenetically novel subclade of M223, not phylogenetically equivalent to
> M223. It is an INDEL which could mean that there are some platform-based
> artifacts with the SOLID vs. Illumina results, but there is another
> candidate SNP, Z186, which seems to support the proposed phylogeny and I
> certainly wouldn't be surprised if you find some kits to be M223+/Z77- in
> future results.
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