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From: "Joe Fox" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] How to count an insertion at DYS 464?
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 16:42:45 -0700


Ann,

If you mean the 464X test of DNA Fingerprint, the answer is no. Can you explain what you mean that the peak heights for 14 and 15 would be the same? And how does this affect the interpretation?

My thanks to Diana, Bob and Ray for their responses which confirmed my own feelings.

Actually this is a fascinating story: A new Fox Project member who could trace back to a Fuchs' ancestor who came to Pennsylvania in 1743 and then moved to Virginia is matching a member whose Fuchs' ancestor came to Ohio in the late 1800s. When the match showed up, I started checking their ancestral family given names back in Germany and, sure enough, there were names in common to both lines and the locations were in the same area of Germany. The actual common ancestor is yet to be determined but they are working on it.

Joe Fox
Lafayette, CA

Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:41:20 -0700
From: Ann Turner <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] How to count an insertion at DYS 464?
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Have both parties had the kind of testing that would reveal the insertion?
Both would have equal height peaks for 14 and 15.

Ann Turner

On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:52 PM, Joe Fox <> wrote:

I have two Fox Project members - both from Saarland, Germany, in the 1700s - whose 37 marker haplotypes differ only at CDYa (34 vs 35) and at DYS 464 (14,14,15,15 vs 14,14,14,15,15,15). FTDNA calls this a genetic distance of 3. I question whether the change at DYS 464 should be treated two separate
mutations. Any comments?
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