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From: John German <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] The fate of R-L11 in Europe
Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 13:34:03 -0400
Rather than a common origin point, isn't the seperation of U106 and P312
indicating a very rapid spread of R11?
Mike W wrote:
>.... I don't see very well how U106 and P312 could arise together at the
>same place and still end up with some rather differenciated pattern like
>U106 very strong in Holland and P312 very strong in Ireland with almost no
>U106 . That would require a surprising segragation among people with the
>same R-L11 origin....
>[[Perhaps this is an argument over the usefulness of variance versus
>frequency in determining direction of expansion or migration. I clearly
>don't advocate P312 emanating out of Ireland. I think Ireland was more of a
>destination/pooling point with its very high frequency, yet low variance.
>The reasons I think U106 and P312 and their R-L11* brothers must originate
>from the same general area (I'm not pinpointing anything):
>1. U106 and P312 are immediately downstream of R-L11
>2. U106, P312 and R-L11 itself all come out with TMRCA's close to each
>3. The modal haplotypes for U106, P312 and R-L11 itself are close to each