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From: Jørgen K. Kanters <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] [yDNAhgI] Z77
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 12:58:37 +0200
All I have access to is that all M223+ participants (>30) are positive for
Z77. In FTDNA database none of M223- have tested. I agree that Z77 may be
phyloequivalent to M223, but without further knowledge one can not exclude
that Z77 actually is ancestral to M223. But You are right that if 1000
Genomes has shown that all M223- also are Z77- then Z77 is not ancestral,
but where do I find that information?
2011/10/18 Kenneth Nordtvedt <>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jørgen K. Kanters
> As I see it it is probable that Z77 is
> ancestral to M223.
> [[ While it is pretty clear Z77 is at least upstream enough to presently
> phyloequivalent to M223, why do you say "probable" that it is ancestral to
> The 1000 Genomes people who discovered Z77 probably checked it out in
> several of their full genomes within haplogroup I when placing it in M223+
> region of the tree.
> They even claimed at first it indicated a subhaplogroup of M223+, but
> subsequent tests of Z77 throughout M223+ universe found it always positive.
> KN ]]