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Subject: Re: [DNA] Problems with some surname project admins
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 11:57:12 -0500
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Hi Deb,

I would view Smiths as the largest surname project, with an asterisk. Clan
Fraser used to tag its project with seemingly hundreds or thousands of
surnames that were not septs. I believe this practice was discontinued some
time ago. Smiths (and its predecessors) was always focused on surnames that
had a defined connected. From my understanding I would say septs belong in
surname projects as they have a historical connection.

Now, if I could only find a match for my Smith family member among those
1,428 members.... Keep up the great work. Thanks,

Phil

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-----Original message-----
From: Deb Harper <>
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Sent: Sun, Nov 13, 2011 15:43:49 GMT+00:00
Subject: Re: [DNA] Problems with some surname project admins

I'm wondering. We have the Smiths DNA Project, which at 1428 members at
FTDNA (plus externally some Anc/Sor, etc) is the second largest. We do have
people of a few different surnames but only if they believe they are
actually Smith and have some good reason for it. If Frazer is not actually a
surname project, we would be the largest one. What criteria is being used
to determine this?

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:] On Behalf Of Bill
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 4:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [DNA] Problems with some surname project admins

Clan Fraser's project description

One of the oldest and largest of all Highland clans, enjoys an enormous
wealth of 'Sept' surnames numbering over two hundred including variations.
Some of these are already supported by distinct surname projects such as
Lovat and Simpson, but by far the majority have no such distinction, and as
in the days of old, have a place to call home here in the Clan Fraser DNA
Project. On this project we hope to establish actual bloodline septs, and
'Bowl of Porridge' sept names. All are Frasers in Clan Fraser! Even if you
are in a surname project please enroll here as part of the complete Clan
Fraser study.

On Nov 11, 2011, at 5:28 PM, Bill wrote:
>
>> A case in point is the largest "surname" project in the YDNA system
>> "Clan Frasier". Its apparently classed as a surname project, but it
>> seems to have relatively few "Frasiers" (something like 100 out of
>> 1500+). I haven't looked at the groups objectives, but I suspect
>> that this is really more of an exploration of Septs that make up the
>> clan Frasier. Would there be an expectation that they would share
>> YDNA? Perhaps, but perhaps they are simply looking to see the
>> haplotypes of those who self identify as members of Clan Frasier---
>> recent common ancestor identification may not be part of the interest
>> at all.
>>
> Bill


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