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Subject: Re: [DNA] King Tut's DNA
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 15:09:19 +0000 (UTC)
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>From: Bernard SECHER
>OK, so it was R1b-L23, R1b-L150 or R1b-L51 which were present in North Africa. So my question is: What are the scientific studies which show such R1b-L23, R1b-L150 or R1b-L51 presence in North Africa ?



My response:

 

Interesting. YOU tell me what are the scientific studies and WHAT subclades did they show in North Africa. I would appreciate it.

 

You see, my friend, you employ the inverted logic. You suppose to tell me: here are scientific data, they show such and such subclades of R1b in North Africa, and here are their chronological estimates,  which do not agree with your concept that R1b1a2 were moving along the north African coast westward around 5500-5200 ybp. 

 

Instead you have essentially said: your concept is not correct because we do not have data on North-African subclades of R1b1a2. Well, in fact, we do have the King Tut haplotype which fits, but you are wrong anyway. 

 

Sounds funny, isn't it? 

 

By the way, do not look for L23 in North Africa, at least do not expect many of them there. According to my concept, they moved mainly westward along Asia Minor directly to Europe, and maybe from the Pontic steppes directly to the Balkans, around 4,500 ybp. 

 

I expect to see in North Africa mainly R-M269* dated 5500 ybp and earlier, down to 7,000 ybp and maybe a bit earlier. They might have produced some L51, but not much either (their TMRCA is about 5,300 ybp). 

 

Anatole Klyosov

 

P.S. Folks, in a few hours I am leaving for Europe for 10 days (Belgium, Germany and France), and am not sure if I am able to continue from there. There would be a busy schedule.

   

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