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Subject: Re: [DNA] Middle eastern R1b
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 12:56:44 -0500


I don't know how you calculate but the haplotypes of the R-M73 group are displaying a variability higher than the haplotypes in the R-V88 group , for those displayed on the R1b1Asterisk project (mentioned earlier).

I never meant comparing R-V88 to R1b (which haplotypes ?).

The comparison I suggested is :
R-V88 versus R-P312
R-M73 versus R-P312 (R-P312 taken here as a known group to compare to)

I would like to know WHO is finding a higher variance for R-V88 than for R-M73 ; that's my point.

Didier

PS : why the [Bulk mention in the subject when I received the message ?
>
> On Dec 19, 2011, at 11:26 AM, wrote:
>
> > Looking at the haplotypes on www.familytreedna.com/public/
> > R1b1Asterisk , the R1b-V88 group doesn't look that old as
> > compared , for example, to the R1b-M73 group.
>
> R-V88 is a bit older than R-M73.
>
> > it looks like the R1b-V88 haplotypes we have at hand are from one
> > (or may be 2) branch(es) with a MRCA much more recent than the
> > expected MRCA of R1b-L389 and R1b-V88 ;
>
> That is not a puzzle. The subclades must always be younger than the
> clade to which they belong. That R-V88 is younger than R-M343 is not
> a puzzle: it is a necessity.
>
> > How can it be that R1b-V88 isn't more different from a R1b-P312
> > than is a R1b-M73 ?
>
> This question has a faulty premise: R-V88 is "more different" from R-
> P312 than R-M73 is from R-P312. This is true whether you compare STR
> haplotypes or SNP haplotypes. I'm not sure why you would think
> otherwise.
>
>
> > Last, let me repeat that we may be finding the evidences of a
> > relatively ancient and long stay of R1b1 in the middle east but the
> > whole story still needs more comparison with presumed R1b-M343*
> > found in central asia.
>
> So far as I know, there is no confirmed R-M343*. Every tested R-M343
> to date has been either R-L389 or R-V88. If FTDNA ever stops ignoring
> this SNP we will be able to readily test a broader sample, but so far
> it is true.
>
> VV

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