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Subject: Re: [DNA] Middle eastern R1b
Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 19:08:47 +0000 (UTC)
>From: "didier vernade" <>
>...the haplotypes of the R-M73 group are displaying a variability higher than the haplotypes in the R-V88 group...
>The comparison I suggested is :
>R-V88 versus R-P312
>R-M73 versus R-P312 (R-P312 taken here as a known group to compare to)
>I would like to know WHO is finding a higher variance for R-V88 than for R-M73 ; that's my point.
Thank you for the off-line invitation to join this discussion, however, frankly, I do not see any point to do it since the discussion continues on a blah-blah level. All points which you listed above have been answered by me earlier in this Forum. You have all my data in that regard - comparison of R-V88 and M73 to P312, comparison of V88 to each other (different branches), etc. on the intraclade and interclade level, with all calculations of TMRCA and cross-comparisons. The question is answered a long time ago, on a quantitative level. What is a point to walk in circles?
It is a long time known that a common ancestor of M73 and P312 in MUCH older than a common ancestor of V88 and P312. V88 arose on a route from Central Asia to the Middle East, and it is closer (time-wise) to the first than to the second region.
It is a waste of time to "discuss" questions such as this one without three things in place: (1) base haplotypes of the subclades/branches, (2) intraclade/branch TMRCAs, and (3) interclade/interbranch TMRCAs. Everything else, including PRESENT-DAY "frequencies" is a waste. They do not mean anything in a historical context. They can be considered only as a supplementary, secondary information.
Unless the three items listed above are laid down and quantitatively considered, there is no discussion. There is a kindergarten.