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From: "Anatole Klyosov" <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] Out of Africa
Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 22:14:14 -0500
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> From: Bonnie Schrack <>
>That seems to
> include trying to clear up all the nonsense that Anatole Klyosov is
> strewing around!
>
> He wrote:
>
...>>Dr. Rozhanskii and I were
>> able to dig to only 160,000 years ago and the ancestor was still there

> What is this supposed to mean, that he and Igor were able to "dig to
> only 160,000 years ago"? What method of "digging" is he referring to?

My response:

:-)))

Thank you for asking. The method considers mutations in haplotypes of
haplogroup A (as well as of other haplogroups). The depth of "digging"
depends on a number of available haplotypes. The more haplotypes are
available (and they are coming in pretty fast), the better the chance to
find more "ancient" among them (that is ones with more mutations),
therefore, to move "deeper" in time. The method is described in
http://www.scirp.org/journal/aa/

I hope you understand better now.

>Now what is the next claim? That V221 might have happened
> between Anatole's "alpha-haplogroup" and BT, but *after* the Africans
> had already diverged from non-Africans?.

Possibly. What is that impossible about it? The system is rather
complicated, there are many possible scenarios, including the one described
above. That is why considering only SNPs leaves too many degrees of freedom.
You have to learn considering haplotypes, not just the SNPs. Then you might
avoid embarrassments.

>All the A2 are positive for V221.

This is fine, I have explained it earlier.

>This doesn't even mention the fact that haplogroup B,
> predominant among Pygmy peoples, is of course, V221+.

Of course. I also have explained it before. Haplogroup/subclade A2 is in one
tooth of the fork, haplogroup B in the another one, along with BT. That is
why haplogroups A and B are VERY distant from each other with their
haplotypes. Haplogroup B could not possibly descend from A. I have
explained it to you earlier.

Again, remember about the fork.

Regards,

Anatole Klyosov

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