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From: James Lick <>
Subject: Re: [DNA] mtDNA H11
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:31:17 +0800
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Hi Cyndi,

PhyloTree only goes down to U6a7a at this time. The U6a7a1b is either an
invented or obsolete designation. The U6 admin's phylogeny conflicts with
the current PhyloTree tree. For example, what the U6 admin calls U6a7a1 is
called U6a7a in PhyloTree Build 15. I would suggest the U6 admin update the
classifications to either the current PhyloTree Build 15 or else Build 14
which is the current standard used by FTDNA. Also I would encourage all
mtdna group admins to clearly state which designations are unofficial to
avoid confusion. For example, the U5 group admin will use something
like "U5a2a1*
Group G proposed new subclade" to group related sequences to make it clear
that the branch is unofficial.

Also I would urge caution in predicting a haplogroup based on 150T. This is
a fairly common mutation, so it could be coincidental.

23andMe currently uses PhyloTree Build 7 as their reference, so there may
be some discrepancies between it and mthap. You can also use the advanced
options of mthap to select an older reference to see how that compares.


On Thu, Jan 3, 2013 at 8:56 AM, Cyndi Norwitz <> wrote:

> On Jan 2, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Wayne R. Roberts wrote:
> > Cyndi,
> >
> > Try this site and upload his raw mtDNA data and it should give you a
> > prediction.
> >
> >
> Very cool, thank you!
> It's saying he's an imperfect match to H11, H11b, and H11b1. So good
> enough unless we get a full mitro.
> I also uploaded mine. 23andme says I'm U6a7. But my analysis of my raw
> data says I'm U6a7a1b (a known Sephardic Jewish cluster). I'm part of the
> U6 project at FTDNA and the head of that agrees with my conclusion.
> James Lick gives me all imperfect matches and only goes as far as U6a7a,
> though it notes my 150T, which is the hallmark of U6a7a1b.
> Very nice program though. I can't wait to use it for my daughter's and my
> brother's mtDNA. I have an "extra" mutation the project hasn't seen before
> and I want to see which of us have it.
> Thanks,
> Cyndi
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