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GENIRE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 16

Today's Topics:
ADMIN: Correction - Retrieving Lost [ ] ADMIN: Correction - Retrieving Lost [ ]
Longford

[ ] Longford

[ ]
Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ] Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ]
Surname Coady

[ ] Surname Coady

[ ]
BLACK BEAMISHES

[ ] BLACK BEAMISHES

[ ]
dublin ireland

[ ] dublin ireland

[ ]
KILLORAN/McGREEVY

[ ] KILLORAN/McGREEVY

[ ]
Lapham

[ ] Lapham

[ ]
Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ] Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ]
Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ] Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ]
Farney or Farley

[ ] Farney or Farley

[ ]
Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ] Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ]
Spellman

[ ] Spellman

[ ]
Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ] Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ]
Kennedy

[ ] Kennedy

[ ]
Re: Farney in Ireland

[ ] Re: Farney in Ireland

[ ]
STORY OF GRACE

[ ] STORY OF GRACE

[ ]
Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ] Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
[ ]
Re: Farney or Farley

[ ] Re: Farney or Farley

[ ]
Genealogical Researchers

[ ] Genealogical Researchers

[ ]
Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ] Re: Spanish sounding surname in Irel [ ]
1831 marriage records co.galway
[ ] 1831 marriage records co.galway
[ ]
GRACE O`MALLEY STORY

[ ] GRACE O`MALLEY STORY

[ ]

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 09:15:05 -0700
From: (Vicki Lindsay)
To:
Subject: ADMIN: Correction - Retrieving Lost Digest
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>
>All:

I am quite the dunderhead this week. :)

>
>Below some instructions for retrieving lost GenIre digests:
>
>1) email

No 1) was incorrect.

>2) subject line has to have the word archive (in all lowercase)
>3) you should only have the line(s) "get volume97/x" without the quotes
>and where x=the digest number (x=1 for first digest, x=2 for second
>digest, x=3 for third digest, etc.) It is important that you type it in
>all lower case and without the quotes. Each line =must= begin with the
>word get.
>
>4) do not include your name, email address or anything else.
>
>
>
>Thank you,
>
Vicki Lindsay
Assistant List Administrator
(mailto:)
>

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 18:16:21 GMT
From: "John G. Mc Gerr" <>
To:
Subject: Longford
Message-ID: <01bcb182$630d1d80$>

Anyone with Longford connections anywhere in the world; Why not visit our
home page at http://longford.local.ie

or contact me at

John Mc Gerr for Longford Local Coop

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 11:53:10 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
Message-ID: <>

25 Aug 97

Dear Kay:

I am also having problems with medical records on my grandfather. We always
assumed that he had gone to medical school at Trinity but was informed that
since he was Roman Catholic he would not have been allowed to attend that
college. If your grandfather was Church of Ireland, perhaps that was where
he went to school. You may also write the Royal College of Physicians of
Ireland, Six Kildare Street, Dublin 2, The Librarian's name is Robert W.
Mills. I have been looking in Scotland for medical schools that my
grandfather possibly attended but no luck so far. Nancy.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:37:06 GMT
From: "Sean Ward" <>
To:
Subject: Surname Coady
Message-ID: <01bcb185$73d90360$>

Information on Descendants of John Coady,born in Dunlavin Co.Wicklow in
1834 or any of his siblings would be appreciated.His son Stephen lived in
Dublin and was a printer.

Sean Ward.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:56:24 GMT
From: "Ron Taylor" <>
To:
Subject: BLACK BEAMISHES
Message-ID: <01bcb192$8d3da420$>

Has anyone come across this term.

I believe "Black" was sometimes used to describe Irish who co-operated with
the Brits.

In my case family legend has it that it is connected with my Beamishes
being Pirates or Wreckers. I am not inclined to believe this - but I'd be
grateful to hear if it strikes any cord with anybody.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 20:18:11 GMT
From: "noel o'hara" <>
To:
Subject: dublin ireland
Message-ID: <01bcb193$d402e680$>

Are your Ancestors from Dublin?

Would you like a photograph of your Ancestral Home?

Visit http://indigo.ie/~nohara to view samples.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:24:25 -0700
From:
To:
Subject: KILLORAN/McGREEVY
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I am trying to help a friend who wants to trace the origins of her family of
KILLORAN. John KILLORAN & Mary McGREEVY both born abt 1856 (parents
unknown) in Ireland - county not known but thru checking the IGI I have
learned that MANY Killorans originated in Co.Sligo. John & Mary emigrated
to Liverpool,England where their first child, John Patrick KILLORAN was born
1882. They went on to produce at least 6 other children. I have checked
Liverpool census and family first appear in 1891 but only "Ireland" shown as
birthplace. It is known John had a brother James KILLORAN born abt. 1862.
I would appreciate hearing from anyone with any information or can offer
suggestions on how I can find the parish where these people were married.
Thank you

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:40:20 -0700
From: (Rush)
To:
Subject: Lapham
Message-ID: <>
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Sorry unfortunatley I realy didn't know what I was doing and sent this to
the wrong group, so I'll repeat my message.

>unsure about how to send this, only just worked out the previous newsgroup
and it >changed. But here goes..............

I am eager to find out any info on the Lapham family. My gggrandfather was
Samuel LaphamSamuel Lapham, arrived in Van Diemen's Land 1832. Samuel was
second son of Joseph Lapham of Skerries near Athy, County Kildare( that is
what he
wrote!) I know nothing of the family in Ireland or the area he came from.
He had a brother in law also in Tasmania, Captain Peter Maclaine. Samuel's
wife was Susan Butler.

Sameul Lapham's life is quite well documented after his arrival in VDL, he
was appointed Superintendent of convicts at Darlington, Maria Island ( just
off Port Arthur), where he was subsequently dissmissed for leniency towards
a country man William Smith O'Brien.

Any information of these people and relations, obviously he left all his
family in Ireland. the only information I have is of the Tasmanian
relations, can sent info if wished.

TIA
You can e-mail me or reply somehow???????(knowledge of these works is
limited)

Joanne Rush


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Date: 25 Aug 1997 13:43:09 -0700
From: (Derek & Di Reid)
To:
Subject: Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
Message-ID: <>
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G'day
The brother of my g,grandfather was a M.D. in 1892, would have trained
sometime before that and being a Catholic from Co. Killkenny trained in
Edinbrough, from what I've been able to find out
Di Reid

wrote:
>
> 25 Aug 97
>
> Dear Kay:
>
> I am also having problems with medical records on my grandfather. We always
> assumed that he had gone to medical school at Trinity but was informed that
> since he was Roman Catholic he would not have been allowed to attend that
> college. If your grandfather was Church of Ireland, perhaps that was where
> he went to school. You may also write the Royal College of Physicians of
> Ireland, Six Kildare Street, Dublin 2, The Librarian's name is Robert W.
> Mills. I have been looking in Scotland for medical schools that my
> grandfather possibly attended but no luck so far. Nancy.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 15:01:45 -0700
From: (G . EDWARD ALLEN)
To:
Subject: Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
Message-ID: <>
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wrote:
>
> 25 Aug 97
>
> Dear Kay:
>
> I am also having problems with medical records on my grandfather. We always
> assumed that he had gone to medical school at Trinity but was informed that
> since he was Roman Catholic he would not have been allowed to attend that
> college. If your grandfather was Church of Ireland, perhaps that was where
> he went to school. You may also write the Royal College of Physicians of
> Ireland, Six Kildare Street, Dublin 2, The Librarian's name is Robert W.
> Mills. I have been looking in Scotland for medical schools that my
> grandfather possibly attended but no luck so far. Nancy.

Thanks all for the advice. In his time period, the usual procedure seems
to have been to have studied medicine with a practicing physician, go
out on your own for awhile and then finish your degree. As a
Presbyterian in the late eighteenth century, I do not know how
"disabled" he would have been as a Presbyterian as compared toa Roman
Catholic. He studied in Londonderry with a Wm. Patterson M.D. for
four years somewhere in the period 1808-14; then he was off to the wild
frontier in Allegheny Co., Pa. and Columbiana Co., Ohio.

It would appear that there was money in the family. What sort of
education would he have had as a boy and young man. Were there Irish
grammar school the equivalent of Eton and Harow etal.?

Thanks,
Kay Allen

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 15:03:33 -0700
From: (Cynthia Wood)
To:
Subject: Farney or Farley
Message-ID: <>
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Do you have any idea what county this might be in? Without the county, it
will be difficult for any of us to make a guess. For instance, I find a
Farneigh, a townland located in Co. Tipperary. Could this possibly be it?

Cindy Wood

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 18:40:01 GMT
From: P Gauthier <>
To:
Subject: Re: Spanish sounding surname in Ireland - 1700's
Message-ID: <5tsji1$8as$1@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>

The Consultant <> wrote:
: There is a story about Grania Ni Maile (Grace O'Malley) rescuing and
: taking as her spouse? lover? a Spanish Sailor after she divorced her
: husband. I think that was at the time of the Armada. If I remember this
: correctly, then it is possible, even likely, that your GGG Grandad could
: have been in a similar situation.

: Can someon correct me if my history is garbled?

: Thanks!

I can't speak with a lot of authority here, but I have heard something
about a Spanish influence in Ireland. Thing is, I know no details about
this, it's just sort of folklore that friends bring up babbling about
Irish heritage etc.

I do know this, though. Traditional enemies of England, especially
Catholic ones, have always been friends of the Irish - at least in the
Irishman's mind. Napoleon planned a massive "liberation" of Ireland and
actually sent a fleet of 5 ships (pretty significant) there, but it was
scuttled in a freak seastorm which destroyed all but one ship. That ship
landed and attempted, alone, to continue its mission. The British soon
found out about them and sent troops to deal with them. The British
defeated them easily and, of course, razed the villages in which the
French forced the peasants to put them up. The peasants, as far as I
remember, didn't really do much to support the French, and were forced
into helping the French troops (they had no idea what was going on), but
that didn't matter to the British who killed lots of them anyway.

Anyway... that doesn't really answer your question, I know. Just a story
I thought I'd tell. It does, however, make the point that foreign
influence in Ireland has always existed. Ireland has always been seen as
sort of military stepping stone into Britain by her enemies - or at least
a way of tying up some of her troops by making the natives restless. If
the French have tried to influence Irish politics, I am sure the Spanish
did, too. And, again, I seem to recall hearing or reading something about
a Spanish/Irish connection in the late 16th century.... And something
about the "Black Irish" having Spanish or Moor blood in them somewhere far
back. Anyone confirm or deny this?

(And also, btw, I understand many pirates and privateers, some certainly
of Spanish origins, operated out of Ireland... This would have been around
the time of the Armada, or shortly after it.)

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 15:44:36 -0700
From: (Joan White)
To:
Subject: Spellman
Message-ID: <>
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Looking for any Spellman family in Ireland 1840s?
Joan

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 22:48:40 GMT
From: "Pam Johnson" <>
To:
Subject: Re: Spanish sounding surname in Ireland - 1700's
Message-ID: <01bcb17e$565d9320$>

When we were visiting Ireland this year we were on a guided bus tour for
part of our holiday. As we drove along the west coast of Ireland the guide
explained the origin of all the watch towers placed strategically along the
coast. I can't remember the specific time period but at one point in
history Spain attempted to invade England via Ireland....you're theory
about Ireland being the back door was mentioned. Many of the Spanish ships
were caught in a storm with only one ship surviving...again your
theory...The Irish helped to rescue the survivors of the ships and those
Spaniards settled in Ireland......they became known as the Black Irish.
After this incident England constructed & monitored many watchtowers on the
west coast of Ireland. (Not all the watch towers were built by England but
a vast majority of them.)

I don't know if this confirms or denies your theories but apparently it has
become part of Irish history or folklore.

P Gauthier <> wrote in article
<5tsji1$8as$1@pulp.ucs.ualberta.ca>...
> The Consultant <> wrote:
> : There is a story about Grania Ni Maile (Grace O'Malley) rescuing and
> : taking as her spouse? lover? a Spanish Sailor after she divorced her
> : husband. I think that was at the time of the Armada. If I remember
this
> : correctly, then it is possible, even likely, that your GGG Grandad
could
> : have been in a similar situation.
>
> : Can someon correct me if my history is garbled?
>
> : Thanks!
>
> I can't speak with a lot of authority here, but I have heard something
> about a Spanish influence in Ireland. Thing is, I know no details about
> this, it's just sort of folklore that friends bring up babbling about
> Irish heritage etc.
>
> I do know this, though. Traditional enemies of England, especially
> Catholic ones, have always been friends of the Irish - at least in the
> Irishman's mind. Napoleon planned a massive "liberation" of Ireland and
> actually sent a fleet of 5 ships (pretty significant) there, but it was
> scuttled in a freak seastorm which destroyed all but one ship. That ship
> landed and attempted, alone, to continue its mission. The British soon
> found out about them and sent troops to deal with them. The British
> defeated them easily and, of course, razed the villages in which the
> French forced the peasants to put them up. The peasants, as far as I
> remember, didn't really do much to support the French, and were forced
> into helping the French troops (they had no idea what was going on), but
> that didn't matter to the British who killed lots of them anyway.
>
> Anyway... that doesn't really answer your question, I know. Just a
story
> I thought I'd tell. It does, however, make the point that foreign
> influence in Ireland has always existed. Ireland has always been seen as
> sort of military stepping stone into Britain by her enemies - or at least
> a way of tying up some of her troops by making the natives restless. If
> the French have tried to influence Irish politics, I am sure the Spanish
> did, too. And, again, I seem to recall hearing or reading something about
> a Spanish/Irish connection in the late 16th century.... And something
> about the "Black Irish" having Spanish or Moor blood in them somewhere
far
> back. Anyone confirm or deny this?
>
> (And also, btw, I understand many pirates and privateers, some
certainly
> of Spanish origins, operated out of Ireland... This would have been
around
> the time of the Armada, or shortly after it.)
>
>
>

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 16:00:05 -0700
From: (Mike Caswell)
To:
Subject: Kennedy
Message-ID: <>
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Looking for all and every Kennedy in Ireland, and any USA or UK connections
to Irish Kennedys.

Especially looking for links to the Dursley/Dudley Worcs area.

Mike Caswell
Genealogy - http://www.moonrakers.com

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 16:25:03 -0700
From: (Allen Beagan)
To:
Subject: Re: Farney in Ireland
Message-ID: <>
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Farney is a Barony which includes the town of Carrickmacross in Monaghan.
It covers parts of 3 counties. You can see it on one of my pages at;
http://www.capecod.net/~abeagan/baronies.gif#Baronies of Ireland
Al Beagan
1 Cross St.
Sandwhich, Ma
USA 02563
508-888-9220
Click on the highlighted URL below for Genealogy Notes of Co.'s Cavan and
Monaghan,
Ireland; Isle of Jersey, Newfoundland; Prince Edward Island and The
Boston States. http://members.tripod.com/~Al_Beagan/start.htm
Searching for;
Donagh, Prince Edward Island = Beagan / Power / Keefe / Trainor
Jackson's Cove, Newfoundland = Beagan / Knight / Rowsell / Vincent
Jersey Island = Knight / Rowsell / Vincent
Hallands, Sweden = Soder / Karlsdotter / Kollberg / Andersson
Co. Cavan, Ireland = Beagan
Co. Monaghan, Ireland =Trainor

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> From: Cynthia Wood <>
> To:
> Subject: Farney or Farley
> Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 10:03 PM
>
> Do you have any idea what county this might be in? Without the county,
it
> will be difficult for any of us to make a guess. For instance, I find a
> Farneigh, a townland located in Co. Tipperary. Could this possibly be
it?
>
> Cindy Wood
>

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 16:33:16 -0700
From: (John M. O`Melia)
To:
Subject: STORY OF GRACE
Message-ID: <>
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Rooters: If you care to get your ducks in a row instead stumbling over
what might be....check out:
http://www.maths.tcd.ie/~jaymin/sca/granuail.htm and I think you will
the story of Grace O`Malley more to the point.
There are other sites but this will help to lift the fog. Take care
and best wishes.

John Michael O`Melia


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Date: 25 Aug 1997 16:35:33 -0700
From: (Edward Andrews)
To:
Subject: Re: Medical Studies in Ireland
Message-ID: <>
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> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 14:52:49 -0700
> From: "G . EDWARD ALLEN" <>
> To:
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Medical Studies in Ireland

> Presbyterian in the late eighteenth century, I do not know how
> "disabled" he would have been as a Presbyterian as compared toa
> Roman Catholic. He studied in Londonderry with a Wm. Patterson M.D.
> for It would appear that there was money in the family. What sort of
> education would he have had as a boy and young man. Were there Irish
> grammar school the equivalent of Eton and Harow etal.?

As a Presbyterian prior to 1793 he could not have gone to Trinity.
After 1793, while Presbyterians could have gone, they were not
eligible for for prizes, scholarships and Fellowships.
The history of the development of education in Ulster in the late
18th and early 19th Cent was the development of university level
education for Presbyterians without them having to go to Scotland.
The objections were partly theological, for Scottish theology was
not considered quite orthodox by the Irish Presbyterians.
Also the lads, away from home were felt to be in general moral
danger.
Thus it was the Belfast Academy was founded about 1790, and Belfast
Academic Institution in about 1810.
They were meant to act as universities. In the event this did not
happen. University education for Presbyterians had to wait until the
1840s when the Queens Colleges were founded - the Precursor to Queens
University Belfast.
There were various schools in Ulster, and I can neither remember
when they were founded or their basis.
Foyle College and Dungannon Royal both claim to be ancient
foundations, at least their alumni so claimed in their cups. I have
no way of verifying this claim.
Your Ancestor would probably either have gone to Glasgow, or he
would have been a surgeon. They were trained on the job, which is why
to this day in British hospitals there is the distinction between the
surgeons - aggressively known as Mister, and the physicians - the
gentlemen who like the G.P are known as Doctor.
There is no comparison between the Irish Grammar Schools and the
English Public Schools
Sorry I can't be more accurate but having been Educated at Belfast
Royal Academy, the Grammar school successor to Belfast Academy,
Trinity College Dublin, where they now let Presbyterians (and Roman
Catholics) in, and Edinburgh University I have absolutely no
documentary evidence to back up what I learnt on the way through the
various institutions.
Edward Andrews
St Nicholas Buccleuch Parish Church Dalkeith, Midlothian Scotland
Visit our Web site http://www.btinternet.com/~stnicholas.buccleuch/index.htm

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Date: 26 Aug 1997 00:19:19 GMT
From: "Padraig Breathnach" <>
To:
Subject: Re: Farney or Farley
Message-ID: <01bcb1b4$d6f8f200$>

Cynthia Wood <> wrote in article
<>...
Do you have any idea what county this might be in? Without the county, it
will be difficult for any of us to make a guess. For instance, I find a
Farneigh, a townland located in Co. Tipperary. Could this possibly be it?

The Barony of Farney is in Co. Monaghan.

PB.

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 17:41:58 -0700
From: (James F. Gosselin.)
To:
Subject: Genealogical Researchers
Message-ID: <>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello:

I have noticed several cautions posted in mailing lists recently about
answering ads in
magazines (Ireland of the Welcomes, etc.) that advertise the services of
people who
perform genealogical research.

I have need of someone, on a fee-for-service basis, who can help me connect my
G-Grandfather to County Limerick at the time of the Famine. Can anyone suggest
a
reputable party who has performed this same type of service for them that
they would not
hesitate to recommend?

Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

James F. Gosselin
149 North Main Street
West Lebanon, New Hampshire 03784
USA

Researching Families: GOSSELIN SAILLANT DUBE JETTE RACCICOT
O'GRADY SWEENY HANLON MARRION McGINN WOOD

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 04:18:26 GMT
From:
To:
Subject: Re: Spanish sounding surname in Ireland - 1700's
Message-ID: <>
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Thus spake P Gauthier <> on 25 Aug 1997
18:40:01 GMT:

>The Consultant <> wrote:
>: There is a story about Grania Ni Maile (Grace O'Malley) rescuing and
>: taking as her spouse? lover? a Spanish Sailor after she divorced her
>: husband. I think that was at the time of the Armada. If I remember this
>: correctly, then it is possible, even likely, that your GGG Grandad could
>: have been in a similar situation.
>
>: Can someon correct me if my history is garbled?
>
>: Thanks!
>
> I can't speak with a lot of authority here, but I have heard something
>about a Spanish influence in Ireland. Thing is, I know no details about
>this, it's just sort of folklore that friends bring up babbling about
>Irish heritage etc.
>
> I do know this, though. Traditional enemies of England, especially
>Catholic ones, have always been friends of the Irish - at least in the
>Irishman's mind. Napoleon planned a massive "liberation" of Ireland and
>actually sent a fleet of 5 ships (pretty significant) there, but it was
>scuttled in a freak seastorm which destroyed all but one ship. That ship
>landed and attempted, alone, to continue its mission. The British soon
>found out about them and sent troops to deal with them. The British
>defeated them easily and, of course, razed the villages in which the
>French forced the peasants to put them up. The peasants, as far as I
>remember, didn't really do much to support the French, and were forced
>into helping the French troops (they had no idea what was going on), but
>that didn't matter to the British who killed lots of them anyway.
>
> Anyway... that doesn't really answer your question, I know. Just a story
>I thought I'd tell. It does, however, make the point that foreign
>influence in Ireland has always existed. Ireland has always been seen as
>sort of military stepping stone into Britain by her enemies - or at least
>a way of tying up some of her troops by making the natives restless. If
>the French have tried to influence Irish politics, I am sure the Spanish
>did, too. And, again, I seem to recall hearing or reading something about
>a Spanish/Irish connection in the late 16th century.... And something
>about the "Black Irish" having Spanish or Moor blood in them somewhere far
>back. Anyone confirm or deny this?
>
> (And also, btw, I understand many pirates and privateers, some certainly
>of Spanish origins, operated out of Ireland... This would have been around
>the time of the Armada, or shortly after it.)
>
>

I suspect most of these stories are just that - stories.
In the case of the Jago name I'm researching, contemporary Jagos in
Ireland insist the family is descended from one of the Spanish Armada
sailors -- only trouble is, the family was in Wales and Cornwall
decades, if not centuries, before the Armada, and almost certainly
went to Ireland in the mid-1600's.

It seems more likely that there always was some Spanish influence in
Ireland, going back centuries. Also that some "Spanish" names, like
Jago, aren't really Spanish at all.

There's an interesting Web site on "The Myth of the Black Irish" --
don't have the URL handy, but it's on the usual Irish index sites -
may or may not be correct, but worth a look.

Dexter Kenfield
New York, New York

Researching KENFIELD/CANFIELD/CAMVILLE in England
JAGO in Boston, New Brunswick, County Cork, Ireland

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:53:41 -0400
From: "P & F Halliwell" <>
To:
Subject: 1831 marriage records co.galway
Message-ID: <01bcb1b2$aafe0340$>

Can anyone tell me what records to check if I'm looking for a marriage
about oct 1831 co. Galway. He sined on in Beagh to the 59th regiment . But
we don't know where he married only that the year was 1831. His name was
Walter MURPHY and he married Catherine O'Shaunesssy

Fiona Halliwell


researching in Ireland
MURPHY< O'Shaunessy-co Galway
HEAPHY. Ballingarry,co Tipperarry

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Date: 25 Aug 1997 19:23:54 -0700
From: (John M. O`Melia)
To:
Subject: GRACE O`MALLEY STORY
Message-ID: <>
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Rooters: Since the post of Story of Grace earlier even I could not get
through the error message.
So go to plan B. Use the search engine INFOSEEK ULTRA and type in
the name of GRANUAILE. When the screen pops up it will be the second
item listed.
Something else to add to all of those stories you always heard and
never understood.
I read the history of County Mayo area on microfiche and I can
understand if the rest of the country slugged it out with their
neighbors most of the time no wonder all the aliens landing got the best
of them.
The "Irish" always enjoyed a good fight.....win,lose or draw.

John Michael O`Melia

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