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GENIRE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 17
Today's Topics:
#1 "Nicknames" - Help please. []
#2 Computer Crash [ (Mari B]
#3 Mawhinney & Robertson ["G.A. (Sandy) Robertson" <cwater@n]
#4 Looking for O'Dell history ["Kraaken" <du***]
#5 Re: "Nicknames" - Help please. [ (Allen Beagan)]
#6 CROCKETT-THOMPSON-1670-1770-NIR-IR [ (Lisa Hen]
#7 Available to conduct research ["Gerard Monaghan" <]
#8 Re: MCGILLICUDDY-Ireland-1880's [ (SeanRuad~)]
#9 Re: 1831 marriage records co.galwa []
#10 Irish name help [ (William ]
#11 surname: McTAGGART of FERMANAGH [ (Brendan F J Ca]
#12 Rathea? Mountcoal? Ireland ["Pam Johnson" <]
#13 PYKE, William ["Michael Pratt" <]
#14 TOOMEY, William ["Michael Pratt" <]
#15 Where Did You Come From? - THOMAS [ (Steve Pis]
#16 Re: Sullivan in Co Cork [ ( )]
#17 Branaman [ (John E. ]
#18 Re: "Nicknames" - Help please. ["Jim Russell" <]
#19 Ireland to Scotland families [ (Gayle Fuson)]
#20 Re: FOLEY 1880 Ireland ["James W. Distler" <]
#21 Boyle family in County Antrim [ (DR KATEB)]
#22 Re: Ships Passenger Lists Prior to ["James W. Distler" <]
#23 Re: INFO ON JOHN SEXTON ["James W. Distler" <]
#24 Falvey of Maryland ["James W. Distler" <]
#25 Re: Irish name help [ (Famlyfndr)]
#26 [INFO] Looking for a professional []
#27 Re: Help with Interpretation of NI ["Eoin Fitzpatrick" <]
#28 Irish lists of people from the Tow [Charles & Karen Hofmann <hofmann@a]
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 00:02:22 -0400
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In the same way that we seem to find Brian/Bryan often used as a
nickname for Bernard (though we don't understand why), does anyone have
knowledge of "Owen" being used as a nickname for "Eugene"?
We seem to have stumbled across two unrelated family cases of this
happening. We aren't sure what to make of it as it isn't what we would
have expected.
Can you help/explain???
Thankyou,
Greg and Pat McCabe
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Date: 25 Aug 1997 21:24:46 -0700
From: (Mari Balden)
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Subject: Computer Crash
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Hello genealogy friends,
I have had a <bold>MAJOR</bold> hard-drive crash - Totally unrecoverable.
Fortunately, I had just done a back-up of my genealogy about 15 minutes
before the crash.
If you have sent in any requests for look-ups of given-names off the
"Given Name Index" in the past 2 days,
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/hills/1739/genelinks.html
please re-send them to me. They may have be lost before I could get them
printed out.
If there are any messages for checking surname information that we may
have connected on in some way, please re-send me these messages too.
Thank you for all your help and patience.
Mari Lynn Balden
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X-Message: #3
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 01:05:32 -0300
From: "G.A. (Sandy) Robertson" <>
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Subject: Mawhinney & Robertson
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Trying to find information on Robert (Robin) Mawhinney, b. I795 in Derry
or Newry County, Ireland. Married a Mary Wilson b. 1804, in Church of
Ireland in 1824 and they emigrated to Canada in 1831 with 3 children and
his two brothers and a sister. I have a very complete tree of his
descendants but can't find anything before they came to Maces Bay, New
Brunswick. Also looking for information on James Robertson, b. 1849 in
Ireland and emigrated to Canada in 1869. His father's name was William
and they were members of the Calvin or Presbyterian Church. His
children's names were William, Alexander and Annie which may have also
been the names of his siblings. Any help in finding more about these
folks will be much appreciated.
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Date: 26 Aug 1997 06:23:44 GMT
From: "Kraaken" <du***>
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Subject: Looking for O'Dell history
Hi,
Researching my ancestory, my grandmother's maiden name was O'Dell. Does
anyone have any information to this name at all.
Thank you in advance,
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Kraaken
(take out ** from address/spam reducer)
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Date: 26 Aug 1997 01:38:16 -0700
From: (Allen Beagan)
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I think Owen is Gaelic for Eugene for when Owen is mentioned in Latin in
the Annals its Eugenius or a variation.
Al Beagan
1 Cross St.
Sandwhich, Ma
USA 02563
508-888-9220
Click on the highlighted URL below for Genealogy Notes of Co.'s Cavan and
Monaghan,
Ireland; Isle of Jersey, Newfoundland; Prince Edward Island and The
Boston States. http://members.tripod.com/~Al_Beagan/start.htm
Searching for;
Donagh, Prince Edward Island = Beagan / Power / Keefe / Trainor
Jackson's Cove, Newfoundland = Beagan / Knight / Rowsell / Vincent
Jersey Island = Knight / Rowsell / Vincent
Hallands, Sweden = Soder / Karlsdotter / Kollberg / Andersson
Co. Cavan, Ireland = Beagan
Co. Monaghan, Ireland =Trainor
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> Subject: "Nicknames" - Help please.
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 4:02 AM
>
> In the same way that we seem to find Brian/Bryan often used as a
> nickname for Bernard (though we don't understand why), does anyone have
> knowledge of "Owen" being used as a nickname for "Eugene"?
> We seem to have stumbled across two unrelated family cases of this
> happening. We aren't sure what to make of it as it isn't what we would
> have expected.
> Can you help/explain???
> Thankyou,
> Greg and Pat McCabe
>
>
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X-Message: #6
Date: 26 Aug 1997 01:38:50 -0700
From: (Lisa Henderson)
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Greeting,
I am following a new group of families of Ireland...
James CROCKETT, born abt 1670, IRE. His only known son, Samuel CROCKETT
was born in 1694, in IRE. Samuel married Esther THOMPSON, daughter of
Rev. John THOMPSON. She was born abt 1717. They married either
immediately before or after they immigrated to the US, to MD. The first
son, Samuel was born, abt 1735, in Prince Edward Co, VA.
Thank you for your time and effort
Lisa Henderson
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X-Message: #7
Date: 26 Aug 1997 08:52:05 GMT
From: "Gerard Monaghan" <>
To:
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Subject: Available to conduct research
Retired Librarian available to conduct genealogical and local history
research with particular reference to midlands counties of Ireland
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X-Message: #8
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 11:36:18 GMT
From: (SeanRuad~)
To:
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Subject: Re: MCGILLICUDDY-Ireland-1880's
Michelle Foley () wrote:
: Looking for infroamtion on ELIZABETH MCGILLICUDDY b. June 24, 1884 in
: Killarney Ireland parents were Gerald"Jermiah"McGillicuddy and Ellen
: Donoughe Looking for any information on this family?
: Can anyone help?
: Michelle
:
Jeremiah King's work _County Kerry Past and Present_, published in 1923,
lists 80 of the MacGillycuddy families and their townland locations in
Kerry - this info was taken mainly from Griffith's Valuations so might
be of some help in locating an individual family, or at least narrowing
the field some -
regards, SeanRuad~ *{:-) near Boston
Project Director for _The IreAtlas Project_ - Phase II is now
50% completed - you are invited to check our web site progress at
http://www.thecore.com/cgi-bin/ire-srch || COMMENTS WELCOME
of the BRODERICKs of Ballymalis, Co. Kerry, near the castle, and
the WHELTONs of Desert, Clonakilty, near the quarry
e-mail:
tel: 7 days ( EST 6am-6pm only ) (617) 646-3236
snail mail: 1424 Massachusetts Avenue
Arlington, MA 02174-4134 U.S.A.
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X-Message: #9
Date: 26 Aug 1997 06:59:42 -0700
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Subject: Re: 1831 marriage records co.galway
Fiona,
My grandmother, born about 1848 in Northern Ireland, was CAtherine
O'Shaughnessy. She and her parents emigrated to New York City about 1851. Is
CO. Galway in Northern Ireland ? Is the name easy to trace in Ireland or are
there many O'Shaughnessys ?
Thanks for any suggestions.
Dave Kane in CA
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X-Message: #10
Date: 26 Aug 1997 14:26:54 GMT
From: (William Timothy Sisk)
To:
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Subject: Irish name help
This may be a bit silly, but my wife and I are trying to come up with a
good Irish name for a future daughter. One name we have chosen is
Hannah. Hannah can be either the first or middle name. Any one got any
suggestions for a good Irish name that goes well with Hannah?
Thanks,
W. Sisk
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X-Message: #11
Date: 26 Aug 1997 08:16:01 -0700
From: (Brendan F J Campbell)
To:
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Subject: surname: McTAGGART of FERMANAGH
This name or variants: MCTEGGART, MCATAGGART, MCENTAGGART ETC. of
Devenish parish, Drumbeggan,
and other areas. Looking for ancestors of James born about 1820,
Philip born about 1840 etc. or any references to McTaggart.
B. Campbell
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X-Message: #12
Date: 26 Aug 1997 16:03:48 GMT
From: "Pam Johnson" <>
To:
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Subject: Rathea? Mountcoal? Ireland
Does anyone know where these towns are? I suspect County Kerry but I can't
locate them or the largest town closest to them.
Thanx for any help.
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X-Message: #13
Date: 26 Aug 1997 02:27:16 GMT
From: "Michael Pratt" <>
To:
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Subject: PYKE, William
I am seeking information on William PYKE born c1870 Tipperary Ireland. He
married a Catherine MARSHALL born Ireland c1842/44.
William PYKE is believed to have served in the British Army in India and
was based in Rangapore in 1905 were a son George Christopher was born (8
Feb 1905).
Any help would be appreciated
TIA
Michael Pratt
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X-Message: #14
Date: 26 Aug 1997 02:36:15 GMT
From: "Michael Pratt" <>
To:
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Subject: TOOMEY, William
I am seeking information on William TOOMEY and his parents Thomas TOOMEY
and Catherine HERDEN. William was born in Ireland c1824 and later moved to
London England where he married Julia (Johanna) CAHILL. William and Julia
later emigrated to Western Australia and settled in the town of York.
Any Information would be appreciated
TIA
Michael Pratt
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X-Message: #15
Date: 26 Aug 1997 09:35:23 -0700
From: (Steve Pisano)
To:
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Subject: Where Did You Come From? - THOMAS F. BURKE
The Burke line of my family leading back from my maternal grandmother has
been a stonewall for many years. I know he was from Ireland---but from
where?
My great-great-grandfather Thomas F. Burke was born in 1861 and came to
this country in 1880. (I believe the "F" is for Francis.) According to his
death record, his parents were named Thomas Burke and Margaret O'Brien. He
married Mary J. Connelly (exact spelling of the last name a little
uncertain) in 1883, though I have never been able to locate a marriage
record in either the town (Greenwich) or state (Connecticut) records where
they lived. (Since they are both listed in later censuses as having come
over in 1880-1881, and their first son was born 1884, I assume they were
married in the U.S. and not in Ireland, but I don't know for certain.)
[Mary's parents, by the way, were James Connelly and Mary Donough.]
No record I have consulted has yet told me from where in Ireland either
Thomas F. Burke or Mary J. Connelly came from, neither county nor townland.
That's why I've been stumped about going back further. I've seen their
death records and read their obituaries. I've seen their children's birth
and marriage records. A kind researcher I contacted through the ROOTS list
looked up his naturalization record. I've asked every living descendant by
writing to them. And still, no clues. All the records say is "Ireland."
(Actually, different older members of the family have offered up Tipperary,
Galway, and Cork as being where they thought Thomas Burke was from, but
none had proof, and with that kind of discrepancy, I obviously couldn't
pursue these as clues.)
Thomas F. Burke and Mary J. Connelly had 5 children born in the 1880s and
early 1890s in Greenwich, CT: Thomas James (my GGF); Katherine; Mary Ann;
Margaret F.; and John William (known as "Jack"). They all lived in
Greenwich, CT (as did most of the family up until the 1980s, when there was
a sort of diaspora to the far reaches of the country: Maine, Florida,
California, and elsewhere).
Since Thomas Burke is such a common name, doing blind searches of indexes
in Ireland is worthless. Also, since Thomas was Catholic but was born
before 1864, Irish civil records are useless. Since he and Mary travelled
to the U.S. in 1880-1881, there are no available indexes for passenger
lists.
In short, I have been unable to unearth any records with a firm clue toward
county or townland of birth which might help me pursue research in Ireland.
So I've been stumped as to how to proceed further back.
Anybody have any good suggestions for places to look for information that I
have not mentioned?
Any help is appreciated. Thank you.
Steven Pisano
New York City
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X-Message: #16
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:32:45 GMT
From: ( )
To:
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Subject: Re: Sullivan in Co Cork
wrote:
: Looking for any information on Sullivan's near Glengarriff in 1870's..Michael
: Sullivan married Ellen Murphy and came to US around 1875....
See:http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Geneal/Cork.htm
Cork Family Heritage Centres computerizing parish records
Provides search service for a fee
http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/cork.html
Cork sources for genealogy
http://world.std.com/~ahern/cork.html
Local historical societies in County Cork
http://snowball.ucd.ie/~library/map/cork.html
Local public Libraries in County Cork
http://homepages.iol.ie/~irishrts/CorkNames.html
County Cork Surnames
http://www.ni.net/~jons/osullivan/
O'Sullivan Beare
These, and other useful links, can be reached from the TIARA web site.
_______________________________________________________________________
Dennis Ahern | The Irish Ancestral Research Association
Acton, Massachusetts | Dept. W, P.O. Box 619, Sudbury, MA 01776
| http://world.std.com/~ahern/TIARA.html
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X-Message: #17
Date: 26 Aug 1997 16:28:17 GMT
From: (John E. Crumrine)
To:
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Subject: Branaman
Ok, this is an ignorant question (but then again most questions are asked
out of ignorance anyhow so) I was wondering if anyone knew if the name
Branaman is an Irish name? I not sure what it is, but I was hoping
someone here might know. Any information is much appreciated.
John Crumrine ()
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X-Message: #18
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 16:19:54 -0400
From: "Jim Russell" <>
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>knowledge of "Owen" being used as a nickname for "Eugene"?
I've checked into this myself. As best as I can find, it is because the
Irish name Eoghan (which is pronounced "Owen") was commonly Anglicized as
Eugene because of its visual, if not aural, similarity.
Jim Russell
(who's dad's name is, oddly enough, Eugene)
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X-Message: #19
Date: 26 Aug 1997 13:52:30 -0700
From: (Gayle Fuson)
To:
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I am searching for info on the Sergeant, Smith, Kennedy, Cochrane, and
McGee lines.
William Sergeant b. abt 1790 in Ireland, m. Elisabeth Smith of same.May be
of Lurgan, Co. Armagh, NIR.
They had Joseph, William and Mary Sergeant. This family was in Girvan, SCT
by 1840. Mary Sergeant m.abt 1845 in Girvan to James Kennedy b. abt 1819 in
unknown area of Ireland to John Kennedy, HLW, and Mary Cochrane.
Also, I have a Mr. McGee b. unknown area of Ireland, m. a Helen. They had
John Magee b. 1815 possibly in Ireland, who in abt 1840 m. in Maybole,
Ayrshire, to Jane McCall b. 1823 to James McCall and Ann Goudie of Maybole.
I have much more in the way of dates and siblings once they are in
Scotland, but nothing about where/what/why of Ireland.
Is anyone familiar with these families??
Thanks,
Gayle
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:24:28 -0400
From: "James W. Distler" <>
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Subject: Re: FOLEY 1880 Ireland
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Dear Michelle:
I too am looking for a link for the Foley surname back to Ireland as my
gg grandmother was a Foley 2nd generation. They lived in the Bucks
County PA area just North of Philledelphia. She married my gg
grandfather John Malloy and my g grandfather was John Foley Malloy. By
chance do you have any links to this family?
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X-Message: #21
Date: 26 Aug 1997 20:48:53 GMT
From: (DR KATEB)
To:
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Subject: Boyle family in County Antrim
My first Irish descendant was Patrick Boyle, who came from the tiny town
of Ballintoy, County Antrim, about 1847, about in the middle of the potato
famine. I would like very much to learn more about the family, but have
been stymied by the fire that destroyed many of the old Irish records and
the fact that the family must have been in the Catholic minority in
Northern Ireland. I wonder if they had
more family in the Irish republic. I lived in Salt Lake City, Utah, for
several years and used the Mormon library to check as far as I could, since
it has the largest genealogic collection in the world. I found the
passenger ships' logs full of variations of that very common Irish name,
but had no way to determine which might be the right one or pursue it any
further. If anyone reading this has an idea for me, I would be happy to
know. My E-mail is DRKATEB @AOL.com. Kate
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:28:30 -0400
From: "James W. Distler" <>
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Subject: Re: Ships Passenger Lists Prior to 1855
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Yes, check the Family History Center at your nearest Church of Later Day
Saints. Call for their hours, once there they will be very courteous and
extremely helpful. Much of what your looking for and more is available
from CD-rom or microfilm at the church.
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:32:19 -0400
From: "James W. Distler" <>
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Subject: Re: INFO ON JOHN SEXTON
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I too am looking for a link to the Sexton family. I have been able to
trace my Sexton family to Virginia in the area of Roanoke. Could this
be the same family? My gg grandfather was a John Sexton named for his
father from Ireland. I also belive that another branch of this family
is in the Bristol, TN area as well.
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X-Message: #24
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:34:41 -0400
From: "James W. Distler" <>
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Subject: Falvey of Maryland
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Looking for any links to the Falvey surname from Maryland and ancestory
dating back to Lord Baltimore and his arrival in America as my family
came her with his group.
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X-Message: #25
Date: 26 Aug 1997 21:19:23 GMT
From: (Famlyfndr)
To:
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Subject: Re: Irish name help
How about Hannah Sinead?
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X-Message: #26
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 22:22:59 BST
From:
To:
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Subject: [INFO] Looking for a professional researcher?
Posting-Frequency: 7 days
Last-Modified: 1997/08/25
Version: 1.14
If you are looking for a professional researcher to help you, then the
correct place to look is in the soc.genealogy.marketplace newsgroup. As
an aid to find people who cover the United Kingdom and Ireland, I post a
monthly list of researchers to soc.genealogy.marketplace.
The document lists only the professional researchers who have requested
to be included. The intention is that the list should be posted to the
soc.genealogy.marketplace newsgroup on a monthy basis. This is to ensure
that adverts are not posted to the soc.genealogy.britain newsgroup or
the soc.genealogy.ireland newsgroup or their associated mailing lists.
A pointer message will be posted every week to remind readers where to look.
No endorsement of any kind is given or implied in any way. It is up to
the reader to ensure themselves that the researcher they will to use is
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If you want the lastest version of the list, you can either wait until
it is posted again, or look for it on the WWW at the URL
http://www.meertech.demon.co.uk/genuki/adverts.htm, or via email by
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X-Message: #27
Date: 26 Aug 1997 22:08:52 GMT
From: "Eoin Fitzpatrick" <>
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Subject: Re: Help with Interpretation of NI Phone Book, Please!
Ted Lunny <> wrote in article
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> Note: this is being posted to both "Uk. and Ireland" and "Ireland".
>
> I am in the process of writing all the people with the same surname as
> mine in Northern Ireland
> in the next while. I have a copy (older 1992) of the Northern Ireland
> phone book which gives
> some numerical information which is not easily understood. I was
> wondering if someone who
> knows could clarify for me.
>
> Example- the phone book shows:
> Lunny, A - The Point, Letterbreen (01365) 386456
>
> Since the (01365) is common to many I assume it is an area code?
Yes 01365 is the area code (Telephone NOT Postal)
NI being part of the UK use the British postal codes.
They look something like BT5 2WK
>
> Secondly, I received some earlier information on the phone book which
> had:
> Lunny, A The Point, Letterbreen.......Belcoo 456
This would be for a manual telephone exchange not automatic with a dialing
code. I think most if not all are now automatic.
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 15:09:14 -0700
From: Charles & Karen Hofmann <>
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Subject: Irish lists of people from the Townlands who were forced to emmigrate
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I suspose this has been asked before, but does anyone know if and where
the old records of the landlords who assisted in the somewhat forced
emmigration from the Ireland during the famine to America, Canada, and
Australia may be located? I am specifically interested in Wexford
County families. (ROWE) Are there records in Liverpool as there are in
Hamburg for Germany passengers?
Charles Hofmann from Tucson
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and Esselmann in Nord Holland and West Hannover areas. Try our Hofmann
Family Home Page, there are many more names there and some good links to
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