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GENIRE-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 8

Today's Topics:
#1 Re: GENIRE-D Digest V97 #7 [ (brad sullivan)]
#2 Ships Passenger Lists Prior to 185 [ (LORIS WHITTING]
#3 Matchett William 1800 1875 [Harry <>]
#4 PHOTO RESTORATION (Resend) [ (Peter De At]
#5 PHOTO RESTORATION (resend) [ (Peter De At]
#6 Re: GENIRE-D Digest V97 #6 []
#7 Re: PHOTO RESTORATION (Resend) [ (Margaret J]
#8 ROBERTS George Henry - 1800s - Que [ (Julia]
#9 Confused about the re-organization [ (Pat Traynor)]
#10 Re: research of Brady [ (Pat Traynor)]
#11 Re: O'SULLIVAN Information [ (Pat Traynor)]
#12 Re: KEENE [ (Pat Traynor)]
#13 EMERSON, John; (Northern) Ireland []
#14 BELL, Robert; (Northern) Ireland []

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X-Message: #1
Date: 19 Aug 1997 11:35:41 -0700
From: (brad sullivan)
To:
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Subject: Re: GENIRE-D Digest V97 #7
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Above on 2nd part stopped at # 19 I
am int. in O' SULLIVAN which was # 24.
Thanks

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X-Message: #2
Date: 19 Aug 1997 13:47:50 -0700
From: (LORIS WHITTINGTON)
To:
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Subject: Ships Passenger Lists Prior to 1855
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Does anyone know where I may find Ships Passenger lists prior to 1855?
My local library has only books that list passengers from 1855 forward.
Some of my people were listed, however I'm told that some of my ancestors left Ireland prior to 1855. Any help is greatly appreciated.
By the way, I'm new to this list and have already recieved lots of good information.
God Bless All of You. I'm overwhelmed at the generosity and willingness to help.
Loris

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X-Message: #3
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 1997 16:54:53 -0400
From: Harry <>
To:
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Subject: Matchett William 1800 1875
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Is anyone searching William Matchett b.1800 d. 06 Nov. 1875
I am trying to find his parents.


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X-Message: #4
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:18:15 -0700
From: (Peter De Ath)
To:
Message-ID: <l03110700b01fcb0f7b60@[194.112.57.231]>
Subject: PHOTO RESTORATION (Resend)
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Re detail below:
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:09:45
From:
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Sender:
Subject: PHOTO RESTORATION

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hello administrators!

Is the above an example of "push mail" or SPAM and if so, should it be on
these lists? (I only ask).

New subject: I must have missed something on GENIRE and GENBRIT
inauguration: Do these lists replace, supplement, mirror or in any way
contribute to the old GENUKI lists?
Do the GENUKI lists still exist?
Where is the inaugural message on GENIRE and GENBRIT?
Do I have to resubmit any surname interests?

Could you please post again the scope of these two lists, together with
operating information for subscribers as I have been reading mail from
confused readers, and I am one of them. Could you please explain all?

Many thanks

Peter De Ath (East of London FHS 37)

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X-Message: #5
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:35:24 -0700
From: (Peter De Ath)
To:
Message-ID: <l03110701b01fcf217044@[194.112.56.194]>
Subject: PHOTO RESTORATION (resend)
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Re detail below:
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 20:09:45
From:
Organization: AT&T WorldNet Services
Sender:
Subject: PHOTO RESTORATION
Resent-From:

Hello administrators!

Is the above an example of "push mail" or SPAM and if so, should it be on these
lists? (I only ask).

New subject: I must have missed something on GENIRE and GENBRIT
inauguration: Do these lists replace, supplement, mirror or in any way
contribute to the old GENUKI lists?
Do the GENUKI lists still exist?
Where is the inaugural message on GENIRE and GENBRIT?
Do I have to resubmit any surname interests?

Could you please post again the scope of these two lists, together with
operating information for subscribers as I have been reading mail from
confused readers, and I am one of them. Could you please explain all?

Many thanks

Peter De Ath (East of London FHS 37)

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X-Message: #6
Date: 19 Aug 1997 14:43:46 -0700
From:
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: GENIRE-D Digest V97 #6

Hi

I just joined your group as a subscriber. I just noted a request for info on
the Sullivans from Glengarriff in Co. Cork. I'm not sure who asked the
questions - I'm not sure about the format of your notes.

The answer to the second question - What is the name of the parish in
Glengarriff - the answer is "Sacred Heart Parish". The answer to the 1st
qestion, I don't have it. There are a ton of Sullivans in Glengarriff. My
dad was known by his nickname "Den Dooris" because he came from the little
area of Dooris right outside Glengarriff. Every Sullivan had a nickname.
Can you imagine how many Patrick O'Sullivans there were. My dad's best
friend Was, in fact Paddy O'Sullivan", better known as Paddy Biddy.

My dad was one of about 6 children - he was next to last in birth order and
was born in 1893. His father, Denis O'Sullivan, was blind and was a poet and
noted fiddler. He died about 1899 in Glengarriff. My dad was also a pretty
good fiddler. My grandmother was Mary Harrington.

I know nothing about my kin prior to my grandfather and grandmother. I would
enjoy helping to solve the puzzle that you have defined. Contact me at
"". Thanks, Denis F O'Sullivan

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X-Message: #7
Date: 19 Aug 1997 22:56:56 GMT
From: (Margaret J. Olson)
To:
Message-ID: <5td8bo$iji$1@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: PHOTO RESTORATION (Resend)

Subject: Re: PHOTO RESTORATION (Resend)

: From:
:
: ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
: Hello administrators!
:
: Is the above an example of "push mail" or SPAM and if so, should it be on
: these lists? (I only ask).

He certainly isn't very smart, is he? Why would people in Ireland or the UK
send their valuable photos to FL (ie, Florida, USA)? Since these lists have
no moderators, only listowners, there isn't any way to catch that before
the damage is done.

He sent this to all the genealogy groups, and it is on-topic for
soc.genealogy.surnames, but not the others.

: New subject: I must have missed something on GENIRE and GENBRIT
: inauguration: Do these lists replace, supplement, mirror or in any way
: contribute to the old GENUKI lists?
: Do the GENUKI lists still exist?

: Where is the inaugural message on GENIRE and GENBRIT?
: Do I have to resubmit any surname interests?

I've been sending this (email) to the authors of every "subscribe"
message.

GENUKI-L no longer exists. Its subscription lists were not used in
forming the new lists. People need to subscribe themselves to the lists
of their choice.

This is the result of two things. First, eworld.com was closed by
Apple. There are no more genealogy mailing lists there. Most lists
moved on Aug. 15 to rootsweb.com. GENUKI-L was closed.

Second, as a result of the vote to split soc.genealogy.uk+ireland, that
newsgroup (which was identical in content to GENUKI-L) will soon be
removed. The new newsgroups are already in existence, and have mailing
lists of their own. You should subscribe to one or both:

newsgroup: associated mailing list:
soc.genealogy.britain **
soc.genealogy.ireland **

Subscriptions go by email to:


and


The message should say
subscribe

and nothing else.

Regards,

Margaret Olson GENERROR Monitor
Genealogy Mailing Lists Volunteer
- my other self.

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X-Message: #8
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:27:56 -0700
From: (Julia)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: ROBERTS George Henry - 1800s - Queens Co Ireland
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I am looking for any information, references to or assistance with the
family of George Henry ROBERTS from Mountrath/Lacka/Castletown in Queens
County.

George was married to Margaret Blanche BRENNAN and they had George Henry
ROBERTS b. 1825c at Lacka Queens Co; Susannah ROBERTS b. 1826c, William
Henry ROBERTS b. 1827c at Castletown or Mountrath, and also Harriet, Robert,
James, Elizabeth, John Thomas, Margaret b. 1446c, Charlotte b.1848c and
Hannah Caroline b.1855c.

The family may have then moved to Dublin and/or Bristol or somewhere else in
England.

Sons George and William came to Australia in the 1850s, George on the
DRAGOON in 1857c with his wife Julia Ann Sullivan. William, formerly in the
Royal Irish Constabulary, arrived in Victoria Australia in 1853 and is
believed to have travelled on the David Cross???? His wife Mary Teresa
Howley, whom he married in Ennis Co Clare in 1853, followed him on the
Mermaid about 2 years later.

In 1864 their Father George arrived in Australia with daughters Margaret,
Charlotte and Hannah Caroline on the ROYAL DRAGON. Details of the fate of
their Mother Margaret Brennan and the other children are unknown.

I have some F/Tree info on the family after arrival in Australia. I am also
researching McCASHNEY, HEYLEN, O'CONNELL, BRENNAN & HOWLEY.

Regards, Julia Kennewell Sth Australia E-mail:

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X-Message: #9
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:33:38 -0700
From: (Pat Traynor)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Confused about the re-organization?
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Peter wrote ....... ( Regarding FotoFix message)
>Hello administrators!
>Is the above an example of "push mail" or SPAM and if so, should it be on
these
>lists? (I only ask).
This list is un-moderated so these items get in. Commercials are supposed
to go to soc.genealogy.marketplace. If they get in here, they are SPAM,
even though photo restoration may be of great interest to many of us.

>New subject: I must have missed something on GENIRE and GENBRIT
>inauguration: Do these lists replace, supplement, mirror or in any way
>contribute to the old GENUKI lists?

On Aug.15th, 1987 the newsgroup and mailist were replaced .
>Do the GENUKI lists still exist?
NO! But the GENUKI Web page is still active.
>Where is the inaugural message on GENIRE and GENBRIT?
It has been in GENUKI a couple of times. You can find it through
www.dejanews.com or, you'll probably get the info upon subscribing to
the new mailist/s.
>Do I have to resubmit any surname interests?
If you sent them to soc.genealogy.surnames, they are still in the
SURNAMES group's archives which go back to 1994 I believe.
>Could you please post again the scope of these two lists, together with
>operating information for subscribers as I have been reading mail from
>confused readers, and I am one of them. Could you please explain all?
>Peter

REFERENCE GUIDE: *** unofficial !!!!! ***
===================================
I have edited and condensed somewhat, a collection of information from
different group
volunteers for my own reference. I post it here because i'm sure there are
many of us who have been confused as to the changes that have been made.
I hope this will make it easier for folks to find out how to do what.

=========== GENEALOGY NEWSGROUPS and MAILISTS ===========
(An un-official summary, edited from several postings)
Accuracy not guaranteed!
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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THE GENEALOGY MAILISTS: (Posting and receiving by e-mail)
---------------------------------------------- (Not moderated)
All the genealogy mailing lists that were at eworld.com have
moved to a server, donated by Apple, at RootsWeb.
GENUKI-L has been split into GenBrit-L and and GenIre-L.

GENNAM-L, the surnames mailist has been replaced by
, and six additional SURNAMES-(country)
lists have, or will be added.

SUBSCRIBING to the MAILISTS:
---------------------------
Every mailing list really has two addresses: the list name, where
POSTS should be sent, and the list name followed by -request, where
COMMANDS to the listserver software should be sent. For example,
posts to ROOTS-L should go to while
"subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests should go to
.

Subscribe to the soc.genealogy.britain mailist by sending email,
To:
Subject: (Leave it blank)
In the message; subscribe
** No signature **

For the Ireland group, substitute GenIre for GenBrit.
These two groups are NOT MODERATED.

The "-L-" is the "default" mode and subscribes you to the
DIGEST mode. ("-D-" signifies digest mode.) You might say
that the "L" stands for List (mailist), as opposed to the newsgroup.
If you prefer to receive separate messages then substitute -M- for
the -L-. If you want the INDEX mode use -I-.

* DIGEST mode, where about twenty posts are batched together
and then sent to the subscribers.
* MAIL mode, where every post is sent to subscribers as a
separate piece of e-mail.
* INDEX mode, where a list of the Subject: and From: lines
for each post is sent daily to the subscribers. Subscribers
can then request only the messages they want to see.

POSTING to the MAILISTS:
-------------------------------------------
To the soc.genealogy.britain mailist;
Send to;
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To the soc.genealogy.ireland mailist;
Send to;

*SURNAMES* MAILISTS: SUBSCRIBE
------------------------------------------------------------
Subscribe to the soc.genealogy.surnames.britain mailist by
sending email,
To:
Subject: (leave it blank)
Message: subscribe
** No signature **

For Ireland, substitute IRELAND for BRITAIN.

================ END of MAILIST INFO.==================
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GENEALOGY NEWSGROUPS: (Posting/receiving using a Newsreader)
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Posting and reading can also be done from some Web sites, such as
www.dejanews.com. You can also post by e-mail by sending to;

Newsgroups do not require subscribing. They are automoderated.

The newsgroups soc.genealogy.surnames and soc.genealogy.uk+ireland
have been terminated. These new groups have, or will be created;
(Aug. 15, 1987)
newsgroup regions covered
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soc.genealogy.britain Great Britain, Channel Islands,
................................... Isle of Man
soc.genealogy.canada Canada
soc.genealogy.german German-speaking areas of Europe
soc.genealogy.ireland Republic of Ireland and Northern
.................................. Ireland
soc.genealogy.usa United States of America and
.................................... territories
soc.genealogy.misc other countries
soc.genealogy.global all of the above - worldwide

(Note: If the new submission addresses aren't working yet for you,
send submissions by e-mail to; .
The automoderator will send your queries to the correct groups based
on the place codes.)

Because these SURNAME newsgroups WILL BE MODERATED, your article
has to be transmitted from you to the automoderator, and then back to
your news server. There may be more delay before your article is
available than you are used to in posting to unmoderated groups.

=====================
The SURNAMES groups
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SOC.GENEALOGY.SURNAMES.(country)
(A summary of instructions)

The automoderation software REQUIRES A SUBJECT LINE WITH
THREE FIELDS SEPARATED BY SEMI-COLONS:

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Examples:
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Subject: LOUCKS George / SALS Anna Eva; Graevenwiesbach, NAS,
DEU; 1650-1710
Subject: DELZELL / DALZELL; SCT > DOW,NIR > PA,USA; 1750-1830
Subject: MILLS Samuel D/HODGES; Williamsburg, Kings Co, NY,
USA; 1796-1863
Subject: ZAHM/PICARD/STEIS; Obergailbach + Olsberg, LOT,FRA;
1680-1840
Subject: ZAHM; LOT,FRA > IN,USA > IL,USA > KS,USA; 1650-
Subject: ZAHM; LOT,FRA>IN,USA>IL,USA>KS,USA; 1650-
(The ">" signifies migration to the following place code.)

The date range is approximate; there is no need to add "circa" or
"?" if you are not sure of dates.
(The prefix "Re:" will also be accepted in surname query subject lines.)

Subject: ZAHM; anywhere; anytime
Queries with only "ANYWHERE" listed in the places field will be
posted ONLY to soc.genealogy.surnames.global.

A mention of Web Page or Newsletter, for example, may be included
in the name field of the Subject: line. For now, the words should
be written in the format for given names, in lower case with
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ARCHIVED MESSAGES:
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to relevant groups by cross-posting to the groups mentioned in the
"places" part of the subject line.
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EVERY MESSAGE POSTED IN ANY OF THE S.G.SURNAMES SUBGROUPS.

All the queries in all the soc.genealogy.surnames.* groups
(including posts to the former soc.genealogy.surnames since
December 1994) are archived at:
http://searches.rootsweb.com/sgsurnames.html
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the automoderator will notify you that your article was not posted,
and make suggestions for rewriting the subject.

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The complete list of codes is available on the world wide web at:
<http://www.rootsweb.com/roots-l/cabbrev1.html>;
Or you can retrieve the list by e-mail to,
, with a subject line of "archive",
and the message saying only: get family.abbrev

POSTING to the SURNAMES NEWSGROUPS:
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(This is usually done with your Newsreader program.)
Group submission address:
soc-genealogy-surnames-(country)@rootsweb.com
Moderator contact address:

CROSS POSTING:
Messages with migration routes such as,
SURNAME; DEU > DEV,ENG > VA,USA; 1800) will be cross-posted by the
automoderater to regional groups (s.g.german and s.g.britain in the
example). With one automoderation address, the posting will be done
all at once with consistency, and posters will know that their
messages will go to all the right groups, and will show up only once
in each group and it will assure that the message does not go to any
non-relevant groups.

COUNTRIES NOT COVERED:
Soc.genealogy.surnames.misc will receive genealogical queries about
people whose residence or migration has included locations within
any country which is not included in one of the regional
soc.genealogy. surnames groups.
=======================================
FOLLOW-UP ARTICLES:
You may respond to surname queries by posting to the newsgroup
or by private e-mail. Posted replies should have standard subject
lines as described above. (The prefix "Re:" will also be accepted
in surname query subject lines.) You might consider using a new
subject line in a follow-up article if appropriate, for example if
you're discussing the same surnames in a different place or time,
or if you're writing about surnames not included in the original
message's subject. Follow-up articles should give genealogical
information, including places and dates; notes such as "Hi, I'll
send you mail soon" should be sent by private e-mail.
============ END of SUMMARY ========== p.t. 8/15/97

Pat Traynor, in California's gold-rush country.

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X-Message: #10
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:33:42 -0700
From: (Pat Traynor)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: research of Brady
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

(diamondj) wrote .......
>Researching Patrick Brady whose father was born in Co. Cavan in 1800,s.
>Any information would be greatly appreciated.
>Jim Brady

Cavan is the origin for Bradys so I would guess that finding a Patrick
Brady would be like trying to find a John Smith in the USA.

CavanNet has a piece on the Bradys at; http://www.cavan.local.ie
I believe you can post your search interest there for others to see.

There is most likely a BRADY mailist on the Web too. Try a search at
CYNDI's LINKS at; www.oz.net/cyndihow/sites/html

Look for her guide to searching Irish ancestors.
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
In Trim,Ireland in 1796, Patrick Traynor, a school teacher,
was hung, drawn and quartered for initiating Lawrence O'Connor
into the "Defenders". Patrick Traynor

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X-Message: #11
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:33:45 -0700
From: (Pat Traynor)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: O'SULLIVAN Information
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

(Jeanette Martin) wrote .......
>Can anyone tell me of the O'Sullivans? Were they in a clan by themselves
>or attached to a bigger clan.
They were descended from Heber, one of the sons of Milesius,
The other two that had issue were Heremon and Ithe. All descendants
of these are called Milesian Irish. The O'Sullivans are a registered Irish
clan.

The O'Sullivans were of the Eugenian race of the Dalcassians. The
ancient Kings of Munster of the Eugenian race were inaugerated on
the rock of Cashel.
There are two O'Sullivan pedigrees, Beara in Cork, and Mor in Kerry.
A third branch was in Tipperary.

> In what part of Ireland did they originate.
Counties of origin:
O'Sullivan, Galway
O'Sullivan, Lord, Tipperary
O'Sullivan Beare, Prince, Cork
O'Sullivan, Prince, "
O'Sullivan Mor, Lord, Kerry

>Were they Catholics or Protestants? Any info would be most helpful and
>appreciated by one who knows nothing of her Irish ancestor.
I assume most would have been Catholic except for those that converted
(or pretended to) to Church of Ireland in order to keep their lands and send
their children to school during the Penal days.

>I live deep in the piney woods of south Georgia where the closest
>library has about 4 books on genealogy (of my county and state) and
>a few family notebooks. They are quite proud of their 'Genealogy Dept'
>and I hope someday to add to it. But right now it's hard on someone
>who is interested in learning about their roots.
> Thanks. Jeanette in GA/US
Know what you mean about small libraries, Jeanette, there is one
near here that only has 6 books, and four of them have already been
colored in!

If you have Internet access go to CYNDI'S LINKS at;
www.oz.net/cyndihow/sites/html
You will probably find links to a SULLIVAN Web page.
Here is one Sullivan mailist but it may not be current. There had been
a shutdown at Maiser. In the e-mail
message write; sub sullivan. No subject, no signature.

Here's some Sullivan stuff;

Suileabhan (suilebhan = "one eye", or, "the eye") was a chief in
the 10th century whose name became the O'Sullivan surname.
Only the high ranking families of the Milesian race had the O' prefix.

The 3rd most common name in Ireland.
There was a Gathering of the Sullivan Clan in Cork in 1996.

Births in 1890 by county:

Sullivan Waterford 25
Sullivan Kerry 349 Looks like Cork and Kerry were
the
Sullivan Cork 418 strongholds.
Sullivan Limerick 50
===========================
" It is claimed also that the O'BEIRNE ancestors came to Ireland
originally with King Henry II and received large land grants in County Cork.
The O'Sullivans whose land it was first, murdered all of them save one
who was in England studying law. He returned to Ireland and became
quite prominent." Hope the Byrnes don't carry a grudge!
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Buadhach of Ath Cro had two sons: Aodh and Gormgall, from the latter
Clan Denair).
Aodh had a son, Cathal.
Cathal had four sons: Aodh, Buadhach, Deamhanville and the Bishop.
Buadhach son of Cathal ahd three sons: Giolla Padraig, Macraith and Anadh.
Macraith had six sons: Diarmuid, Giolla na bhFlann, Conchobhar, Cearbhall,
Lochlann and Domhnall Mor of Carraig Fionmhuige - from his twelve sons were
sprung the various branches of O'Sullivan. His twelve sons were: Ruaidhri,
from whom Clan Ruaidhri; Giolla na Flann from whom O'Vullivan Beare and
O'Sullivan Maol; Giolla Mochuda from whom O'Sullivan More; Siuthchraidh,
Conchubhar, Diarmuid, Finginn, Macraith Reagh, Henry, Anadh the bishop,
and Lochlainn.
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Pat Traynor, in California's gold-rush country.

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X-Message: #12
Date: 19 Aug 1997 18:33:45 -0700
From: (Pat Traynor)
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: Re: KEENE
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

David Keene <> wrote .......
>Does anyone have any information about the name Keene?

Dave,
In the O'CAHAN of Londonderry, pedigree #1 of three, O'CATHAIN was
anglicized as O'Cahaine, O'Cahane, O'Cahan, O'Cane, O'Kane, O'Keane,
O'Caen, O'Chane, Cahan, Caine, Cane, Gahan, Gethan, Kane, Kean,
Keane, Keen, and Kyan.
I see no reason why the KEENE spelling should not be in there too)
I see no connection with the Keenan name.

The O'Cathain name was derived from Cathan (cath, "a battle", an, "one
who").
Cathan's ggrandfather was Connor, the 156th Monarch of Ireland.

Scottish Clan and associated families:
GUNN
Enrick, Galche, Gallie, Granson, Gaulche, Gaunson, Georgeson,
Henderson, Inrig, Jameson, Jamieson,Johnson, Kean, Keene,
MacComas, MacCorkill, MacCorkle, Maccullie, MacIan, MacKames,
MacKeamish, MacKean, MacMains, MacManus, Macomish, MacRob,
MacWilliam, Magnus, Main, Mann, Manson, Manus, Neilson, Nelson,
Robinsons, Robison, Robson, Sandison, Swan, Swann, Swanney,
Swanson, Will, Williamson, Wills, Wilson, Wylie, Wyllie

This does not necessarily mean that KEENE was originally Scottish.
Many Irish families went to Scotland in early times and became
totally Scottish over the centuries.

Irish Pedigrees, by John O'Hart, Page 234, vol. 2, states that the
following
Scottish families are of Celtic Irish origin, whose ancestors at an early
period peopled Galloway and Argyle, from Ireland;

CAMBELL, COLQUHOUN, LAMONT, MacALLISTER, MacARTHUR, MacCALLUM, MacCRORY,
MacDONALD, MacDOUGALL, MacGREGOR, MacLACHLIN OR MacLAUGHLIN, MacLEAN,
MacNEAL, MacQUARY, etc.
(I wonder how many other names that "etc." covers?)

Pat Traynor, in California's gold-rush country.

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X-Message: #13
Date: 19 Aug 1997 20:02:02 -0700
From:
To:
Message-ID: <>
Subject: EMERSON, John; (Northern) Ireland
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Looking for info on John Emerson who married Mary Bell in 1858 (Mary was
born in Lurgan, County Armagh). John may have been born in Magheralin,
County Down. John had two sons (that I have found) William John and Robert.
William was born 1860 in Magheralin while Robert was born 1865 in Armagh
City, County Armagh. John was supposed to have been a Staff Sgt in the army
(Robert was born in Barracks Square) so perhaps John was sent to Ireland.

Thanks, Robert



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Looking for Robert Bell, born about 1809, perhaps in Magheralin, County
Down. He married Jane Murr(a)y 19 November 1832 in Magheralin. Together
they produced 5 daughters, Anne, Elizabeth, Ellen, Margaret and Mary (b 2
June 1839 and later married Robert Emerson).

Thanks, Robert

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