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From: "D. Spencer Hines" <>
Subject: Re: Excerpts From Irish Newspapers
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 16:58:21 -0000
A check reveals that Queen Elizabeth II has no fewer than 827 lines of descent
from Eva of Leinster.
I'll bet the remarkable Ian Fettes, who is far better at this sort of thing
than I, can find many more than that.
I'll bet Leo van de Pas can too.
"For we must consider that we shall be a city upon a hill. The eyes of all
people are upon us, so that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work
we have undertaken, and so cause him to withdraw His present help from us, we
shall be made a story and a byword through the world."
John Winthrop [1588-1649] A Model of Christian Charity , A Sermon
Delivered aboard Arbella, enroute to the New World; First Governor of
Massachusetts Bay Colony.
Ubique Quo Fas Et Gloria Ducunt --- Motto of the Royal Artillery
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Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor.
"D. Spencer Hines" <> wrote in message news:...
| No Big Deal...
| Eva [Aoife ---- Eva of Leinster], daughter of Dermot Mac Murrogh, King of
| Leinster... [Diarmait MacDonnchada MacMurchada] is my 23rd
| Great-Grandmother ---- and the ancestor of hundreds of thousands, perhaps
| millions, of other folks ---- of all walks of life.
| Anyone descended from Isabel de Clare and her husband William The Marshal is
| a descendant of her and of Kings of Leinster ---- and therefore has Irish
| blood, after a sort.
| I have at least three lines from Eva of Leinster ---- through three
| different daughters of Isabel de Clare and William Marshal ---- Maud, Isabel
| and Eva. So do herds of other folks.
| No Big Deal....
| Queen Elizabeth II is also a 22nd Great-Granddaughter of Eva of Leinster,
| who reportedly died after 1186.
| D. Spencer Hines
| Lux et Veritas et Libertas
| Vires et Honor.
| "Dennis Ahern" <> wrote in message
| | HER MAJESTY'S IRISH DESCENT.
| | ------------
| | TO THE EDITOR OF THE EDINBURGH COURANT.
| | SIR--I see in Tuesday's Courant an extract from a
| | curious antiquarian article, which the Morning Herald
| | copied from the Dublin University Magazine. It gives the
| | old history of Dublin. It is there stated as a remarkable
| | discovery, that Queen Victoria is twice descended from an
| | Irish Princess, Eva, daughter of Dermot Mac Murrogh,
| | King of Leinster. But this is an honour largely shared by
| | many of her well-born subjects. The late Duke of
| | Northumberland, in his shield of 900 quarterings, claimed a
| | right to carry her in his arms thirteen times! This is without
| | counting the still greater number of lines of descent from her
| | which do not bring the privilege of bearing her arms. I add a
| | brief sketch of the origin of this wide dissemination of Eva's
| | blood. Her son is said to have been killed by his father, Earl
| | Strongbow, for failure in battle against the Irish. Her only
| | daughter, Isabel de Clare, married William Marshal, Earl of
| | Pembroke in her right. They had five sons, all Earls of
| | Pembroke successively, who, though they had seven wives,
| | all died without children--the last of them only, surviving his
| | predecessor eighteen days. Their five sisters, therefore, in
| | 1246, divided their great inheritance. They had seven
| | husbands and all had families. Sibyl (wife of William, Earl of
| | Derby), the fourth of them, had only seven daughters, who
| | had fourteen husbands ; and Eva (wife of William, Lord
| | Braose), the fifth, had only four daughters, co-heirs, also all
| | married. Thus we find part of these estates split up into
| | thirty-fifths and twentieths, though partly collapsed again,
| | and the right of quartering Eva, and the honour of claiming
| | her as an ancestor, spreading like the circles caused by
| | dropping a stone into an expanse of smooth water.
| | But glancing at the three eldest--
| | 1.Maud Mareschal married first Hugh Bygod, Earl of
| | Norfolk, who by her became Marshal of England,
| | and from whom heralds allege a numerous posterity
| | by a younger son, though chronology declares it
| | impossible. This Marshal heiress married second
| | William, Earl Warrenne, from whose grand-daughter
| | the Earls of Arundel, and through them the Dukes of
| | Norfolk and others derive.
| | 2.John Mareshal [sic] produced the Earls of
| | Pembroke, of the names of Valence (split in 1323),
| | and Hastings, whose direct line terminated at a
| | tournament in 1389, when the Lord Grey de Ruthyn
| | succeeded.
| | 3.Isabel Mareschal married Gilbert de Clare, Earl of
| | Gloucester, whence issued the remaining Earls
| | whose inheritance was dispersed by the slaughter of
| | her great grandson at the battle of Bannockburn in
| | 1314.
| | This shows that Eva's posterity is so wide-spread as to
| | embrace most of the well-allied families of England.
| | Perhaps you may think these gleanings worth a place in
| | your paper.--Yours,
| | ALEXANDER SINCLAIR.
| | Edinburgh, 24th March, 1856.
| | --The Cork Examiner, 7 April 1856
| | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
| | Dennis Ahern | Ireland Newspaper Abstracts
| | Acton, Massachusetts | http://www.newspaperabstracts.com/Ireland
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