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From: Ted Gerk <>
Subject: RE: [GV] Marriage Ccertificate
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 09:54:49 -0800
In-Reply-To: <6.2.0.14.2.20050106222953.02460ff8@mail.comcast.net>


Hi Patrice:

My discovery of these records asked more questions than they answered: Are
there more, did all villages have to make such reports to the volost
government, where are they now, when did such reporting begin, etc?

I found the Josefstal ones in the Josefstal village files- in a day of no
photocopies, letters and other such documents were copied by hand...so these
are hand written copies of documents sent to the volost government..
Volgograd archives does not have the Ilavlin volost records...so where are
they? Archival guides for Volgograd and Engels have appeared, and some
inventories for the Saratov Kontor records, but nothing else to really show
us the ton of material that Saratov must have, that are mentioned from time
to time in presentations.

There are some Volost records in Volgograd: Medvedtskoe Volost,
Linevoozerskoe Volost, Oleshinskoe Volost, Neu-Galkinskoe Volost and
Romashskoe Volost. These all had Volga German vilages in them.

Then it will be a matter of going through the inventories or actual records.
I don't think any of us will live that long.

As to what villages are in what volost...I think that such data is out
there...we only need to put it together...it would make for an interesting
thread of discussion.

The Minkh encyclopedia which AHSGR has a copy of, in Russian, has histories
of most of the Volga villages, founding info, etc, as well as lists of
volost governments.

Ted

-----Original Message-----
From: Patrice Miller [mailto:]
Sent: January 6, 2005 11:00 PM
To: Ted Gerk
Cc: German Volga Mail List
Subject: RE: [GV] Marriage Ccertificate


Ted,

This is quite an interesting find, particularly since you have seen them
yourself. I have been told by Pleve that he has not seen any vital records
for the Volga Germans and they were not kept. So perhaps he does not know
because they were not kept by the archives or they were very rare and he
has just not come across them.

The question that Robert asked was about a 1847 marriage. For this time
period, I am confident, from everything I have learned, that there were not
any vital records. Perhaps sometime after 1874 when Family Lists (or
Administrative Village lists or Civil Lists) were instituted, the record
keeping could have been changed or evolved over time.

Any ideas on how we might get access to some of the Volost records? I
wonder how to correlate the villages with the Volosts.

Patrice

At 02:23 PM 1/6/2005, you wrote:
>Hi Patrice:
>
>While perusing records of Josefstal in the Volgograd archives in 2003,
>I came across complete lists of births, deaths and marriage for
>Josefstal from 1907 to 1914. These were copies of reports sent to the
>Volost government, in this caes the Ilavlin volost. At each name was
>also the family number, that is the number assigned a family for any
>records. I found the same numbers on some of the Josefstal draft
>records as well.
>
>I bring this up because if we can get access to some of the Volost
>records, we might find that there are other sources for records other
>than just the Church records.
>
>How long these records were kept, where they are, etc I do not know.
>
>Edward (Ted) Gerk
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [mailto:]
>Sent: January 6, 2005 2:05 PM
>To:
>Subject: Re: [GV] Marriage Ccertificate
>
>
>Robert,
>There were not vital statistics in the Volga during that time period.
>In other words, there are not any birth, marriage or death certifcates.
>The church did keep records, and if the church records for you village
>have been found, then the entry for their marriage can be researched.
>Have you contacted Randi Bolyard at who is the village
>coordinator for Rosenheim? He should know more about what records for
>his village have been found. Or ask the german volga mail list what
>records are available for Rosenheim, someone on the list may be able to
>help you also.
>
>Patrice Miller
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>
> > Good afternoon,
> >
> >
> > How I do to obtain the marriage certificate of my
> > great-grandmothers?, they married
> > in 1847 Rosenheim-Saratov-Russia.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Roberto Stadler
> >
> > São Paulo - Brazil
> >



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