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From: Sondra Cutcliffe <>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Nob] von Bertremouille/Lieb families
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 19:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <483.99eb52.31a50eb5@aol.com>


Thank you for the information! I have tried to email
and the email has been returned as undeliverable.
I would be very interested in contacting Joe. Do you have any other
contact information?

Sondra

--- wrote:

> According to a Lieb family descendant Joe Schmitt, the family seems
> to be
> named Bertremoville not Bertremouille. An Obrist (Colonel) could be
> either
> Imperial or serving the Prince-Elector of Cologne (Kurkoelnisch) but
> unlikely
> both at the same time. If the Colonel's daughter Alexandra married a
> commoner
> Lieb she would lose her noble status at that time and acquire his
> standing. You
> may want to contact Joe Schmitt at
> (mailto:)
>
> G. von Studnitz
>
> "Our ancestor was Ernst von Bertremouille an Imperial "Obrist" of
> the
> Cologne elector ("kulkolnischen")and member of the Imperial
> Knighthood,
> District Odenwald (in German he was a "Reichsritter Kanton
> Odenwald")
> During the Middle ages, he acquired a Lehen in the Bach district
> which
> consisted of several farming estates and extensive forests. His
> daughter, Alexandra Karolina was married to Jeremias Lieb in 1657.
> Jeremias's father had maried Johanna Dorothea Rudt of Bodigheim and
> acquired the estates at Vechenbach and Reistenhausen.
>
> Would the von Bertremouille/Lieb families be considered German
> "nobility"?"
>
>
>
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