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From: "Linda McKenna" <>
Subject: Re: [Ger-Sur] BAUTZ, PAUTZ
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 21:43:45 -0500
References: <20041130201707.81896.qmail@web53706.mail.yahoo.com>


Thank you for hints. I have done some, but it has been awhile ago. I will
try again.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rebecca" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Ger-Sur] BAUTZ, PAUTZ


> Hi Linda,
>
> I don't have your names in my datase, but I've
> certainly seen them. If I understand correctly, you
> are searching for the place where your grandfather was
> from in Germany.
>
> Have you done the following searches, to (hopefully)
> narrow your location search?
>
> 1) http://www.familysearch.org (Family History
> Library on-line) When I did a search on BAUTZ I found
> 269 possibilities; PAUTZ returned 185 possibilities.
>
> 2) http://www.dastelefonbuch.de/ (Germany telephone
> book, on-line; click on the English link) When I did
> a search on BAUTZ, the search turned up 'too many
> results, enter a place to narrow results'; PAUTZ
> returned 348 possibilities.
>
> A) When I get this many results, I copy and paste the
> results into an (eg Excel) spreadsheet, then sort on
> places. Not always easy to do, particularly if you
> don't work with spreadsheets on a regular basis. One
> alternative is to count places, by hand.
>
> B) You can use the place frequency to enter place
> names when you re-do the BAUTZ telephone book search
> again.
>
> At this point in the research, I use a 'general rule'
> that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
>
> Although I have found my family in Alfhausen, possibly
> in Schwagstorf (10 miles away), the current living
> Germans with my surname live in Emsdetten about 60
> miles away.
>
> C) Don Watson's site also has several alternatives.
> You can browse this LIST during November and October
> and should probably find several links.
>
> May I suggest that you make two separate posts (with
> surnames capitalized in the subject line) for each
> last name and provide the following for each?
>
> 1) All names used by your Grandfather.
> 2) Dates, or date ranges, that you have in your
> records.
> 3) Places that you have in your records.
>
> Sorry if you've already done the above searches. If
> not, you have some homework to do. We'll be here to
> help.
>
> Becky
>
> --- Linda McKenna <> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rebecca,
> > I appreciated the hints you shared here, they
> > are helpful.
> > I have hit a brick wall in searching for the
> > place for my grandfather.
> > My only option now is to ask other researchers if
> > they have seen the name in
> > any of their data. Have you seen the name BAUTZ or
> > PAUTZ ( of course,
> > variant spelling). Also KIRCHNER or variant.
> > If you have I would really appreciate hearing
> > about it.
> > Thank you,
> > Linda Bautz McKenna
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rebecca" <>
> > To: <>
> > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2004 1:43 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Ger-Sur] ratterman
> >
> >
> > > Denise,
> > >
> > > Just so you know, the church records (St. Johann)
> > from
> > > Alfhausen include Ankum in the parish. Also
> > another
> > > town, Thien, and I believe a few others. I
> > believe
> > > some of these towns may have been incorporated
> > into
> > > what is now known as Furstenau. (Spelling from
> > > memory.)
> > >
> > > The Family History Library microfilm of Alfhausen
> > is
> > > very limited in terms of available years; maybe 30
> > > years or so in the early 1800s. I looked at them
> > last
> > > year. If I recall correctly, they are duplicates
> > that
> > > ended up in the state archives. I have all of the
> > > scanned records for Alhausen from 1679 to 1903,
> > which
> > > include many Rattermans (50-60 births). Like I
> > said
> > > before, lets keep our fingers crossed we find
> > yours.
> > >
> > > Familysearch.org is one of the best ways of
> > finding
> > > the location of a particular family name that I
> > know
> > > of, for the 1800s. Using this resource, is
> > usually
> > > one of my first Internet searches. If I get a
> > large
> > > number of search results, I cut and paste the
> > results
> > > into an Excel spreadsheet so I can sort by
> > location.
> > > That way I can quantify what I have to deal with,
> > have
> > > a saved copy I can refer to and keep track of what
> > > I've researched.
> > >
> > > Also, I tend to ignore the first names.
> > Familysearch
> > > usually uses the given names in the birth and
> > marriage
> > > records. These often are not the names these
> > people
> > > used in the United States. Here's an example of
> > the
> > > given names in Germany and the names of the same
> > > people in the US:
> > >
> > > Given Name: Johan Arend Joseph
> > > (Arend is a form of Arnold) Duh!
> > > Name used in US: Theodore Arnold
> > >
> > > Given Name: Johan Bernardus Henricus
> > > Latin for Bernard Henrich
> > > Name Used In US: John Henry
> > >
> > > Given Name: Theodorus Aulonius Arnoldus (Latin,
> > > again)
> > > Name Used In US: Theodore Richard, Dick
> > >
> > > AHA! Baptism witness was Johan Dietrich. My
> > Theodore
> > > Richard appears to have adopted the name of his
> > > godfather.
> > > (Name Used on passenger list: Ditterich spelling
> > > 'error' for Dietrich or Richard in English))
> > >
> > > (By the way, there is a Ratterman birth just above
> > > Dick's, my ggg-grandfather.)
> > >
> > > Getting the 'naming' picture?
> > >
> > > Since I started with their exact dates of birth, I
> > > knew I had the correct people. Plus their
> > mother's
> > > name was always the same and exactly what is in
> > the
> > > church records in Ohio.
> > >
> > > Then, again, all 4 immigrant family members could
> > have
> > > obtained the emmigration documents of another
> > family,
> > > who were all in the same age range and gender.
> > >
> > > A long row to hoe.
> > >
> > > Becky
> > >
> > >
> > > --- wrote:
> > >
> > > > Denise - thanks for your suggestions. i keep
> > > > finding ankum, hanover,
> > > > germany. so that must be the spot. i have only
> > ever
> > > > ordered a film once from the lds
> > > > research center and it was for croatia and it
> > was a
> > > > lesson in futility! i
> > > > guess i am nervous to do it again, only now in
> > > > german? i am not sure how i can
> > > > be helped with this! thank you for all your
> > ideas!
> > > > denise
> > > > One method is to go to www.familysearch.org and
> > > > click on the Search tab.
> > > > Type in only the family name and country,
> > nothing
> > > > else. You will get a
> > > > (probably) long list of people with their places
> > of
> > > > birth or marriage, whichever a
> > > > particular entry is for. By simply going down
> > the
> > > > list you will get a feel of
> > > > where the various Rattermanns originated or
> > where
> > > > they may have moved. (Keep in
> > > > mind any information from this site does not
> > > > necessarily comprise all the
> > > > Rattermanns - only those for whom information
> > has
> > > > been submitted through
> > > > relatives or name extraction from original
> > sources.)
> > > > You will also probably be able
> > > > to pick out some of your own people, and by
> > clicking
> > > > on these entries you may
> > > > find further information, directly there or via
> > > > indicated links.
> > > >
> > > > When you get to the point where you think you
> > have
> > > > pinpointed places of birth
> > > > or marriage for any of your ancestors you can go
> > to
> > > > the Family History
> > > > Library Catalog (link on homepage), click on
> > Place
> > > > Search and enter the town name.
> > > > >From there you will see the various types of
> > > > records available and, by
> > > > clicking on these links, details of the content
> > of
> > > > the film in question. It helps if
> > > > you know the religious confession, since often
> > there
> > > > are church records
> > > > available - these being the most helpful for
> > dates
> > > > before 1876. You can order
> > > > films in to your nearest Family History Center
> > (see
> > > > homepage, right column, for
> > > > link to lists of same) for a nominal fee for
> > viewing
> > > > at their facility.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck!
> > > >
> > > > Carol in Canada
> > > >
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