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GLAMORGAN-D DigestVolume 97 : Issue 103

Today's Topics:
#1 Tyler and Kemp []
#2 Re: Cargo Ship called the "Eastga [Ruth Marler <]
#3 Re: DAVIES, Evan and IGI [Margaret Grogan <]
#4 genealogy []
#5 Dowlais [Sierra <>]
#6 JONES [Margaret Walker <]
#7 Re: STOTT, THOMAS & PASCOE [ (Susan Martin]
#8 Re: LUCAS Family CARDIFF in C19 [Huw Daniel <]
#9 Re: Hitcin(g)s [Huw Daniel <]
#10 Request for 1861 Census Lookup -- []
#11 Request for 1861 Census Lookup -- []
#12 1841 census lookup [D/K Glodoski <]
#13 re; Esau Protheroe [ (pat sewell)]
#14 Re: STOTT, THOMAS & PASCOE []

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X-Message: #1
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:40:11 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Tyler and Kemp

I am researching Tyler and Kemp in Pentyrch area about 1880. If you have any
details please email me direct. (Bill Fry)

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X-Message: #2
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 11:28:31 +0000
From: Ruth Marler <>
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Subject: Re: Cargo Ship called the "Eastgate"

In message <>, Michael W Smith
<> writes
>My gg grandfather (1844 - 19xx) John Harry Plews was a Marine Engineer
>who lived in Cardiff and worked aboard a cargo ship called the
>"Eastgate". My g aunt who lives now in Sidney remembers a picture of it
>hanging in their house (around 1918). I was wondering if anyone has
>heard of that ship or even may have a picture?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Michael W. Smith
>Anaheim, CA USA
>
Michael

I remember seeing a ships mailing list - I think that it was mentioned
on the old Roots-L mailing list (based in USA).
Perhaps someone else will recall how to subscribe to the list or it may
be worth sending a message to the Soc.Gen newsgroup.
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from Ruth Marler in Hampton, Middlesex, UK
OR

Looking for surname WIDDOWS anywhere for one-name study
email address for one-name study:

In order to foil bulk emailers, my "reply to" email address is incorrect.
To REPLY to me, please remove the "xxx" from the beginning of
my email address in "reply to" header.

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X-Message: #3
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 08:11:20 +1100
From: Margaret Grogan <>
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Subject: Re: DAVIES, Evan and IGI
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At 07:24 PM 8/11/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Could someone please explain the IGI to me? What is it, how do I use it
>and where can I find it??

I'm fairly new to genealogy but the IGI is International Genealogy Index
(IGI) published by the Mormons, Church of the Latter Day Saints (LDS).
Your local genealogical society may have the 1992 edition on microfiche, or
you can also view it on CD_ROM at the Mormons Fmily History Centres (FHC).

They have generally surname indexes of births and marriages for each country.
For example: England is then broken down into counties. Surname ,first name,
year, event.
Wales seems an exeception in that it is indexed on First name, births then
marriages, for each county.

I don't know what percentage of Wales has been indexed.

If you find the event that is appropriate, then you order then your local
FHC will order the film from Salt Lake City for you. They notify you when it
arrives, and you have 30-60 days to view the film. It costs about $5 and you
can print the required certificate from the film. This may be cheaper than
obtaining certificates direct from the registry office itself.

I've never used the FHC as I live in country New South Wales Australia, and
I'm about 3 hours from my nearest FHC, with the expense of an overnight stay
- to order film, and then another trip to view films.

Check this link for addresses of your nearest FHC:
http://www.lds.org/Family_History/Where_is.html

Check this link for a better explanation of IGI (The Alambama FHC)
http://members.aol.com/terryann2/fhcinal.htm

There is a good article from Mark Howell for ordering English and Welsh
certiifcates:
http://www.oz.net/~markhow/ukbirths.htm

Some other links that I had bookmarked:
http://www.lds.org
http://thoughtport.com/olympics/slc.html
http://www.saltlakecvb.com
http://www.lofthouse.com/usa/utah/paradise/index.html
http://www.citysearchslc.com
http://www.yahoo.com/Regional/U_S__States/Utah/Cities/Salt_Lake_City/
http://www.utah.com/destin/wasatchf/slc.htm

Hope this helps
Margaret
Researching:
England: OLIVER PEARCE SMITH WILDER
Ireland: DALEY DONAHUE GROGAN HARTNETT MILLS
Wales: DAVIES WILLIAMS
My Home Page: http://www.sci.net.au/mgrogan
Moruya Historical Society: http://www.sci.net.au/mgrogan/mhs
Email or,

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X-Message: #4
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:17:05 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: genealogy

I'm new at this so I hope I'm doing this the right way.
I'm researching the name of HITCHINGS I believe from the county of Glamorgan.
My Great grandfather, Jason HITCHINGS b. 1844 in Wales. His sister Margaret
b. 1836 married Edmond R. Jones b.1832 in Dowlais. They were married in
Wales in the 1850's and emigrated to the USA shortly after. The mother of
Jason and Margaret was named Annie Hitchings ( maiden name unknown) b. 1813.
There may have been other siblings. They lived in Western PA after
emigrating.

I am also researching the wife of Jason HITCHINGS, Esther DAVIES b.1847 in
Wales. She came to the USA at the age of 15, probably with her father, Evan
DAVIES.

Any help would be most appreciated.
Thank you.

Jacqueline Hitchings Bellezza


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X-Message: #5
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 14:31:31 -0800
From: Sierra <>
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Subject: Dowlais
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Hi,

Could someone explain where Dowlais and Loghor are.

Thanks,

Sierra

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X-Message: #6
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 09:40:43 +1100
From: Margaret Walker <>
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Subject: JONES
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Would some kind person please be able to check some electrol rolls for me
on a Thomas John Jones and Mary Elizabeth Jones for the areas of where they
were living. Iknow they were in 1919 living in 43 Arthur st , Misken,
Mountain Ash, Glamorgan. Itjink they may have moved as i have an address at
78 High St Abertridior, Caeplilly, Glamorgan. Icannot find their deaths so
thought this may be a way . Hope someone can help Regards Margaret from
Launceston, Tasmania (they are my Great Grandparents )

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X-Message: #7
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 16:16:13 -0800
From: (Susan Martin)
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Subject: Re: STOTT, THOMAS & PASCOE
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Hello Hugh

Do you mean "Maesteg". I have the Llangynwyd census for 1871(part missing),
1881, 1891 which includes the Maesteg area. If it is let me know and I will
take a look at it for you. However, I do not think Pontycymmer is on it.
Maybe someone could clarify what area Pontycymmer would come under.

I will not be able to have a look until Wednesday evening. Let me know.

Sue Martin
Prince George, B.C.
Canada

Researching: Howell, Evans, Jones, Lloyd, Williams, Sullivan, Connor (O'),
Buckley, Glasson

I am asking for help in locating information on the family of Samuel
>STOTT, who, though born in Worksop Notto, England, was married to Jane
>Richards and lived in Pontycymmer in approx 1885. My grandfather
>Christopher STOTT was married to Mary Rebecca THOMAS in Pontycymmer, on
>December 8,1905. William THOMAS, the father of Mary Rebecca THOMAS
>raised his family in Pontycymmer or Maestig. His mother's maiden name
>was PASCOE. COuld someone locate an 1881 or 1891 census for me? Thanks
>for any assistance.
>
>Hugh Stott
>27W337 Victoria Lane
>Winfield, IL 60190 US
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>
>
>

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X-Message: #8
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 23:47:41 -0000
From: Huw Daniel <>
To: B M J Major <>
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Subject: Re: LUCAS Family CARDIFF in C19
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On 10-Nov-97, B M J Major wrote:
->Searching for any Lucas family in Cardiff in C19
->especially:

->Blandford and Mary LUCAS

->and their children:
-> William
-> Ann
-> Jane
-> John
-> Thomas James
-> Charles William
-> Henry

->--
->Bernard M J Major

Hi Bernard,
Found your Blandford & Family in the 1851 census as
follows....

533 065, 43 Caroline Street, Cardiff
LUCAS, Blandford, HD, 36, Pilot & Fisherman born GLA. Cardiff
LUCAS, Mary, WI, 30 born GLS. Bristol
LUCAS, Ann, DA, 11, Scholar born GLA. Cardiff
LUCAS, Charles W., SO, 5, At Home born GLA. Cardiff
LUCAS, Thomas James, SO, 3, at Home born GLA. Cardiff

Also present on the 1841 census.......

25 047 073, St. Mary Street
LUCAS, Blandford, 27, Fisherman
LUCAS, Mary, 23
LUCAS, Ann, 18M
LUCAS, James, 5M

All but Mary born in Glamorgan

Any details on the other LUCAS's you're after as there are 16 other LUCAS's in
Cardiff in 1841 which increases to 20 other LUCAS mentions in the 1851 census
regards
Huw

Listmanager Glamorgan Mailing List



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X-Message: #9
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 00:08:29 -0000
From: Huw Daniel <>
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On 10-Nov-97, wrote:
->I'm new at this so I hope I'm doing this the right way.
->I'm researching the name of HITCHINGS I believe from the county of
Glamorgan.
-> My Great grandfather, Jason HITCHINGS b. 1844 in Wales. His sister
Margaret
->b. 1836 married Edmond R. Jones b.1832 in Dowlais. They were married in
->Wales in the 1850's and emigrated to the USA shortly after. The mother of
->Jason and Margaret was named Annie Hitchings ( maiden name unknown) b. 1813.
->There may have been other siblings. They lived in Western PA after
->emigrating.

->I am also researching the wife of Jason HITCHINGS, Esther DAVIES b.1847 in
->Wales. She came to the USA at the age of 15, probably with her father, Evan
->DAVIES.

->Any help would be most appreciated.
->Thank you.

->Jacqueline Hitchings Bellezza
->

Hi Jacqueline,
Searched both the 1841 & 1851 Merthyr Tydfil fiche for all
of the above but there is no match for Jason or Margaret HITCHINGS or Edmond
JONES in Dowlais (there are several Edmund JONES's in Dowlais but none of the
right age to match the above)

There are a couple of Marriages which would fit for an "Ann" marrying a
HITCHINGS but again they don't tie in with her birthdate of 1813 above.

regards
Huw

Listmanager Glamorgan Mailing List



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X-Message: #10
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:17:17 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Request for 1861 Census Lookup -- HODGE/GRIFFITH

Looking for a listing for Thomas HODGE, wife Ann (Griffith) HODGE, and
possible son Robert HODGE (b Sep 1861) in Swansea/vicinity in 1861. Any
information greatly appreciated. Sharon

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X-Message: #11
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 21:19:43 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Request for 1861 Census Lookup -- REES/DAVIES

Looking for Thomas REES, wife Catherine (Davies) REES in Clydach (Swansea)
vicinity during 1861 census. One known child b July 1863; parents would
probably have been born ca 1840. Any information appreciated. Sharon

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X-Message: #12
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 22:55:08 -0800
From: D/K Glodoski <>
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Subject: 1841 census lookup
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Huw or Pat?...

Could either or you or someone on the list be willing to look in the 1841
Census Index for Glamorgan for my Esau Protheroe who would be about 8 to
10 years old. He married a woman, Ann __?__, who was born in about 1837
in Merythr Tydfil. Esau Protheroe was born in Llagybi, Monmouthshire.
This family of Protheroe were all coal miners, so I'm hoping they might
be around Merythr in 1841.

He is 38 years old on the 1871 census for Trevethin, Pontypool, and is
married to an Ann. They have a number of children. When I searched on
the 1871 microfilm I also found a Levi and an Evan Protheroe family
living nearby. Possibly brothers?

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X-Message: #13
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 11:24:50 +0100
From: (pat sewell)
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Subject: re; Esau Protheroe
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>Could either or you or someone on the list be willing to look in the 1841
> Census Index for Glamorgan for my Esau Protheroe who would be about 8 to
>10 years old. He married a woman, Ann __?__, who was born in about 1837
>in Merythr Tydfil. Esau Protheroe was born in Llagybi, Monmouthshire.
>This family of Protheroe were all coal miners, so I'm hoping they might
>be around Merythr in 1841.

Hello Diane
Sorry, No Esau Protheroe listed on the 1841 Census Index Merthyr Tydfil.

Regards
Pat.

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X-Message: #14
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 10:48:27 -0500 (EST)
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Subject: Re: STOTT, THOMAS & PASCOE

What information do you have on the surname Evans that you are searching for?
I have ancestors in Dowlias Merthyl Tydvil with the Evans surname that Huw
found for me off the 1851 census.
Lisa

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