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From: "mike ward" <>
Subject: Re: [GLA] GLAMORGAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 178
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:12:02 -0000
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Many thanks to all who wrote concerning definitions of mental illness. The
1881 Google suggestion proved very illuminating!

Thanks

Mike Ward
Leighton Buzzard


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Today's Topics:

1. Definitions (mike ward)
2. Re: Definitions (Robert Chick)
3. Re: Definitions (Eddie Thomas)
4. News Items of 1923 Number Ten ()
5. Look ups (Sue Welham)
6. Pugh family from Penclawdd ()
7. Re: Pugh family from Penclawdd ()
8. Re Look ups (edward)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 08:27:57 -0000
From: "mike ward" <>
Subject: [GLA] Definitions
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Whilst whiling away some time searching for my family I happened upon an
1881 census which encompassed an asylum (coincidental in relation to my
family search I hasten to add!) and I noticed that the inmates were
variously described as:



Idiot, Lunatic and Imbecile



Can anyone throw any light on why they are described this way and what the
difference in definition is please?



Thanks



Mike Ward



Leighton Buzzard



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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:01:35 +0000
From: "Robert Chick" <>
Subject: Re: [GLA] Definitions
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A general view appears to be:
The terms lunatic, imbecile and idiot were used in a pretty confused and
confusing manner, but there was, in theory a definition:

Lunatic: A mentally ill person with periods of lucidity.
- Imbecile: "Persons who have fallen in later life into a state of
chronic dementia"
- Idiot: "..those who suffer from congenital mental deficiency."

Robert Alun Chick


On 24/03/2008, mike ward <> wrote:
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> Whilst whiling away some time searching for my family I happened upon an
> 1881 census which encompassed an asylum (coincidental in relation to my
> family search I hasten to add!) and I noticed that the inmates were
> variously described as:
>
>
>
> Idiot, Lunatic and Imbecile
>
>
>
> Can anyone throw any light on why they are described this way and what the
> difference in definition is please?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
> Mike Ward
>
>
>
> Leighton Buzzard
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 09:43:02 -0000
From: "Eddie Thomas" <>
Subject: Re: [GLA] Definitions
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A Google search, using "1881 census definitions idiot imbecile lunatic" as
your search term, produces some very illuminating results.

Regards

Ed

>
> On 24/03/2008, mike ward <> wrote:
> >
> > Whilst whiling away some time searching for my family I
> happened upon
> > an
> > 1881 census which encompassed an asylum (coincidental in
> relation to
> > my family search I hasten to add!) and I noticed that the
> inmates were
> > variously described as:
> > Idiot, Lunatic and Imbecile
> > Can anyone throw any light on why they are described this
> way and what
> > the difference in definition is please?



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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 14:30:18 EDT
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Western Mail October 1923.

BIRTH- JOHN- Oct 23rd to Mr&Mrs W.H. JOHN, Four Elms-road, Cardiff, a son.

MARRIAGES- COLLINS-SNOW, At St. Mary's Church Briton Ferry, on the 24th
Oct,
by the Rev. L.H. WALTERS, Charles Henry, son of the late Mr&Mrs W.T.L.
COLLINS, of Iddersleigh, Briton Ferry, to Violet, youngest daughter, of
Samuel
SNOW, Archdale, London-road, Neath.

PONTIN-BOWEN- Oct 24th at St. Margarets Church, Roath, by the Rev. L. J.
WELLINGTON, Ambrose John, son of Mr&MRS W>J.PONTIN, Aberdare, to Irene,
daughter
of Mrs& the late Rev. S. G. BOWEN, Kilgerran, Pembrokeshire.

DEATH- HILL- Harriett, on 22nd inst., beloved wife of Thomas William HILL,

after long illness, patiently borne. Funeral leaves Capel Llanilterne,
Thurs,
2p.m. friends meet at Cardiff Cemetery, arriving 2.45.

IN MEMORIAM- FOXALL.- In Treasured Memory of our darling son Roy, who died
Oct 25th 1918, at Coleshill-Terrace, Llanelly( Never an hour, but he is in
our
thoughts).

HARRISON- In Loving Memory of my dearest father, Thomas HARRISON, who died
suddenly at Llantwit Vadre, 25th Oct 1909. Gone but not forgotten by his
daughter, Gwen Elizabeth FRANCIS.


Walter THATCHER aged 13, of New House, Canal Side, Nantgarw, died at
Cardiff
Royal Infirmary, on Thursday morning.
THATCHER was admitted on Tuesday suffering injuries to the head and leg,
sustained through a fall while playing in the playground of the Nantgarw
Council
School.

Funeral of Mr.Paul TREASURE (Cardiff)- Despenser-street, well-known Cardiff

Commercial Traveller, took place at Cardiff Cemetery.
Mourners Mr.Harold TREASURE and Mr. Christie TREASURE-sons, Mr Edward
SQUIRE- son-in-law, Mr Joshua SMITH, Mr Bernard SMITH, nephews, Mr. James
SPIERS,
Newport, Mr. R. JIMMOCH, Newport and Mr. Alfred CROSSWAITE, Newport.

IN MEMORIAM- STALLARD. In Ever-loving Memory of James Proctor STALLARD, who

died at Karduna Hospital, Northern Nigeria, Oct 26th 1919.
Ever in the thoughts of his loved ones home and abroad.
Jess, Daisy, Gladys and Harry.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT- BROMHAM.- Mrs BROMHAM, Geoffrey-street, Neath, desires to
thank all friends for sympathy and floral tributes.

DEATH- EVANS- At Brynteg, Margam, on the 25th, Edward EVANS, for 18 years
Councillor, Margam U.D.C. in his 85th year. Funeral Saturday 3.30 p.m. for
Margam Abbey.

Joseph McGARRITY Labourer, and Gordon ROBERTS, a native of Swansea, were
charged at Port Talbot Borough court with breaking and entering the Port
Talbot
Ex-Service Club and stealing 2s. 6d. from the clubs charity box.
McGARRITY pleaded guilty sentenced to 6 months, ROBERTS not guilty
sentenced
to 5 months.

William L. JENKINS, a collier, of Ynysybwl, was sent to prison at Abercynon

Police-court, for non-payment of ?10.10s.to Margaret B. HAWKINS of Ynysybwl
,
arrears under an affiliation order dated Sept 1918.

Jacob John JONES, a single collier, pf Skewen pleaded guilty to stealing
?4.
the property of Elizabeth PIPER of Skewen his Landlady.

Mr.B. Edward HOWE, district coroner held an inquest at Glynneath, on David
John REES (30), collier, 29 Greenfield-Terrace, Glynneath, who was run over
by
a runaway Journey of trams at The Rock Colliery, Glynneath.
Verdict of Accidental Death was recorded.

Charged at Merthyr with stealing coal from the G.W.R. sidings at
Pontlottyn,
were five women. May MANTLE, Maggie REES, Hannah Mary LEONARD, Ethel
DAVIES,
and Catherine ROBERTS- were eached fined 10 shillings, two boys William
YEOMAN and Thomas LEWIS, were bound over.
Mr Edward ROBERTS, of Dowlais was solicitor for the prosecution.

John Patrick










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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:22:36 -0000
From: "Sue Welham" <>
Subject: [GLA] Look ups
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Hi,

Thought I would put my research names on the list again in the hope someone
may be looking for the same thing.

William Davies born Herefordshire living Ynysybwl 1890's, ,married to
Esther, one child called Emily. Don't know names of other children.
Morgan John father of Esther living Hirwaun, Merthyr 1850's

Thank you.

Sue in Suffolk




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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:45:58 +0000
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Subject: [GLA] Pugh family from Penclawdd
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Hi all I`m trying to find the marriage of John Pugh and his wife Elizabeth
Collin. They must have married sometime about 1833 as this is whentheir
first daughter Jane was born all the children were born in Penclawdd from
1833 to 1859. Elizabeth states she was also from the area very grateful in
any ehlp with family. The family were living in penclawdd on the census.

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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:09:04 EDT
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John PUGH & Elizabeth COLLIN both of Llanrhidian married on 17 April 1833
at
Llanrhidian by banns

Eileen






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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:41:18 -0000
From: "edward" <>
Subject: [GLA] Re Look ups
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Hi Sue,

1891 Census.RG.12 Piece.4414. Folio.107.Page.10.
Address:19,Other Street,Llanwonno,Ynysbwl.

DAVIES.William hd 36yrs. coal miner Windsor Pit.brn
Kinnersley,Herefordshire.
DAVIES. Esther. wife.33yrs.......brn Hirwain,Glamorgan.
DAVIES.John. son 8yrs. scholar...Treherbet,Glamorgan
DAVIES.Emily.dau. 5yrs scholar....ditto.
DAVIES. Rachael.A..1yr................brn Ynysbwl.

Lynne.

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