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From: "Julie Frame Falk" <>
Subject: Re: [G] Frames (was Marriage challenges)
Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2010 13:39:43 +1100
I can't tell you how much I appreciate the enormous amount of energy and
dedication you contribute here and at other forums. I was just browsing to
see how to go about setting up a Facebook group and magically, this
information now appears for me to consider. Thank you!
<<You have done a very impressive amount of research. I think you are the
person who is most intimately involved with all these records and will be
the best position to pass judgement on the surname.>>
Whether there was one main progenitor of Frame (as currently indicated) or
many unrelated tribes around the world, we are all united by our name and
the lack of definitive information on the origins of Frame was what
compelled me to first DNA test my brother, and also what eventually lead me
here. I wasn't satisfied just knowing the ending of our 'book' - there had
to be a way I could find out more about the beginning. Despite being a rank
amateur, I decided if I could totally immerse myself in studying as many
aspects of our name and families as I possibly could, that some good might
eventually come of it. It's fair to say I got more than I bargained for!
Anyway, after perusing many, many surname dictionaries, comparing genetic
associations, heraldry and whatever else I could deduce from the historical
record ( much DNA-based medieval research in association with members of the
Crispin Cousins forum at Yahoo), I believe I have progressed sufficiently
now to state publicly which of the confusing mix of etymologies in various
publications seemed the most plausible, and give my reasons why. There
seems to be a definite correlation between 'Fram' and 'Franc'. I can't find
any linguistic information stating this, and I considered whether the
letters 'm' and 'nc' in old script might have been confused; that the Fram/s
surname was an accidental evolution. However, given the heraldry and
examples such as Umfraville early recorded as Umframvill and Umfrancvill;
Saint Framehilde and Saint Franchilde etc., I believe the Spear / Javelin
etc anciently unites Fram and Franc. There may be more to it: the ancient
Thorn clan (sharp, protruding object) etc., but that's a whole other story!
<<It does indeed look as though there should be separate Frame lines in
England, though it could well be that some of these lines have now become
Yes, I agree.
<<Have you tried signing up to Genes Reunited?>>
I did some years back and uploaded my entire tree. It was very unwise! I was
so overwhelmed with email enquires that I couldn't keep up with them and
cancelled out. There must be a better way...maybe I should rejoin and upload
a small Gedcom of just my direct Frame line. Would this seem a reasonable
strategy to connect with only those pertinent to the study? I will
definitely give this more consideration.
<<The other possibility is of course Facebook.
<<I think you will have to take the plunge and join sooner or later!>>
I am about to take that plunge today Debbie! It seems I should do it sooner
rather than later. I just need to think of a name that encompasses it all -
Frame Genealogy, DNA and One-Name Study seems horribly cumbersome.
I'm so glad you didn't suggest Twitter. I am only capable of using my mobile
phone to make a phone call; can't text, can't tweet! My grandchildren are
ashamed of me! :o)
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