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From: "richang" <>
Subject: Re: [WW1] standards of the time
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 17:50:28 +0100
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I heartily second that!
Rich

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Cave" <>
To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [WW1] standards of the time


> Hear here - well said Tom.
> Brian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Tulloch-Marshall" <>
> To: <>
> Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 7:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WW1] standards of the time
>
>
> > Snip - John Chapman wrote > "What I have objected to is the idea that by
> > issuing blanket pardons you achieve anything. Next minute you will be
> > suggesting we tear up and burn all the evidence so you can rewrite
history
> > in your own image like the communists tried to do in the Soviet Union.
> ....
> > This is a very dangerous thin end of a wedge - another dangerous example
> is
> > going through the system now .... (etc)" end snip
> >
> > Hear Hear - The basic problem with this WW1 executions thing is that
it's
> an
> > emotive issue which cannot and will not ever be resolved on the basis of
> the
> > available extant "evidence" of the individual cases - the necessary
> evidence
> > simply doesnt exist and until someone invents a time machine it never
will
> > exist. There are two entrenched attitudes every time this issue comes
up -
> > "no blanket pardon" and "blanket pardon" - and never the twain shall
meet.
> >
> > "Standards of the time" can be argued till the cows come home - who's
> > "standards" ? - my local County Court seem to think that muggers,
> burglars,
> > and the like should be given two and half hours "community service"
> > (whatever that is) and most of the people I know seem to agree that they
> > should be tied to a lamppost and flogged (as should the Judges and JPs,
> come
> > to that) - so what's the "standard of the time" ? - it's meaningless.
> >
> > Personally I have two longstanding predictions of which I am quite
> > confident - #1 - the WW1 executions issue will surface on every WW1 /
> > military forum at almost precisely regular intervals and it will be
argued
> > passionately for an indeterminate period - and no one doing the arguing
> will
> > ever change their minds - why should they - no new "evidence" is going
to
> > come to light. - #2 - sooner or later some feeble spineless wonder in
> charge
> > of whatever political party is in power in Britain at the time will
judge
> > the moment right and will usher through a blanket pardon as a matter of
> > (vote winning) political expediency. At that moment they will condemn
more
> > innocents than they pardon.
> >
> > Under British law you stand little chance of being granted leave to
appeal
> a
> > judgement, let alone overturn a judgement, unless you present new
evidence
> > on the case. The solution to the problem, for those who want a blanket
or
> > individual pardon(s), is therefore quite obviously to present new and
> > compelling evidence of either defective evidence in the first place or a
> > miscarriage of justice based on the evidence that was presented in
> > individual cases.
> >
> > Perhaps those advocating a blanket pardon could start by presenting
their
> > evidence and arguments for the pardon of A/Cpl Alexander Chisholm who
was
> > executed on the 17th of May 1915 ? - At the same time they may want to
> give
> > due consideration to the feelings of any living relatives of L/Cpl
Robert
> > Lewis, the man who Chisholm shot in the back outside an estaminet in
> > Bailleul, some distance behind the front (Lewis died).
> >
> > Blanket pardon ? non-starter.
> > regards
> > --
> > Tom Tulloch-Marshall
> > Great War Military Research
> >
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> >
> >
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